Question: Should OSU be in the playoffs?

[Guido]

This is such a scam. The big10 is letting osu rest and practice for 2 weeks while northwestern has to play Illinois. Commish warren should be ashamed of himself, but always remember, Commissioners and college Presidents are politicians not educators, so shame will never enter into the equation.

 

[BigPoppa52]

Indiana had their shot when they played OSU. They couldn’t win even after running all of the pick plays in the world.

And that is exactly the point, although I'm sure you don't see it. Indiana had their shot - FAIR AND SQUARE. The Buckeyes get theirs only because the conference changed the rules to give it to them. They don't deserve to be in the picture. Is it their fault? Probably not. Perhaps had they played the full schedule they would still be undefeated. But this is nothing more that the case of a poor little rich kid having daddy buy the ballfield because the other kids wouldn't let him play.

 

[OSUTideFan]

And that is exactly the point, although I'm sure you don't see it. Indiana had their shot - FAIR AND SQUARE. The Buckeyes get theirs only because the conference changed the rules to give it to them. They don't deserve to be in the picture. Is it their fault? Probably not. Perhaps had they played the full schedule they would still be undefeated. But this is nothing more that the case of a poor little rich kid having daddy buy the ballfield because the other kids wouldn't let him play.

Indiana had their fair and square shot and they lost to OSU. What they deserve at this point is a CFP ranking commensurate with the AP and Coaches polls, around spot number 8.

 

[BigPoppa52]

Indiana had their fair and square shot and they lost to OSU. What they deserve at this point is a CFP ranking commensurate with the AP and Coaches polls, around spot number 8.

and your blind fandom still misses the point.

 

[OSUTideFan]

and your blind fandom still misses the point.

You made a point about some poor little rich kid that made no sense and had no applicability to the situation whatsoever. What would you characterize your own fandom as?

 

[B1GTide]

Playing in the B1GCG will help only in that it gives OSU one more decent opponent in Northwestern. But NW just lost to MSU, so they are not that good. They are ranked 14th, but if they had a whole season of games they would lose a few more along the way. No way are they the 14th best team in the country.

So, forget the B1GCG for a minute. The only real question - does a 6-0 Ohio State deserve to be in the CFP ahead of a highly ranked 10 win team with a single loss? IMO, the answer is no. Forget the eye test - we only played 6 games. Those other teams played 5 more games. That is too large a difference for me to overlook.

So, here is how I would do it:

Alabama in no matter what - you will hit 10 wins on Saturday.
Notre Dame in no matter what - they already have 10 wins.
Clemson in if they beat ND.
FL in if they beat Alabama.

The question - If Clemson or FL lose, should OSU get in ahead of those teams and/or aTm.

IMO, if Clemson or FL lose, they are out with 2 losses.

That leaves OSU vs. aTm. Who should get in? Their W/L records would be 8-1 vs. 6-0.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Playing in the B1GCG will help only in that it gives OSU one more decent opponent in Northwestern. But NW just lost to MSU, so they are not that good. They are ranked 14th, but if they had a whole season of games they would lose a few more along the way. No way are they the 14th best team in the country.

So, forget the B1GCG for a minute. The only real question - does a 6-0 Ohio State deserve to be in the CFP ahead of a highly ranked 10 win team with a single loss? IMO, the answer is no. Forget the eye test - we only played 6 games. Those other teams played 5 more games. That is too large a difference for me to overlook.

So, here is how I would do it:

Alabama in no matter what - you will hit 10 wins on Saturday.
Notre Dame in no matter what - they already have 10 wins.
Clemson in if they beat ND.
FL in if they beat Alabama.

The question - If Clemson or FL lose, should OSU get in ahead of those teams and/or aTm.

IMO, if Clemson or FL lose, they are out with 2 losses.

That leaves OSU vs. aTm. Who should get in? Their W/L records would be 8-1 vs. 6-0.

Largely agree with this. I think Ohio State should and would get in over A&M

 

[Guido]

I did read where Lincoln riley said, if ou needs an opponent. We'll make that trip. And don't give me, well, there's a rule that says we can't play an out of conference team
We have just seen what rules really mean in the big10. I have asked this question on this board and an osu board and nobody has an answer
Why was the 6 game rule put in ?

 

[OSUTideFan]

I did read where Lincoln riley said, if ou needs an opponent. We'll make that trip. And don't give me, well, there's a rule that says we can't play an out of conference team
We have just seen what rules really mean in the big10. I have asked this question on this board and an osu board and nobody has an answer
Why was the 6 game rule put in ?

I read this somewhere. Don’t know about its veracity: “To keep a three-win team from opting out of the rest of the season and get automatic seeding in the CCG with the best win percentage.”

Regarding OU: they’re free? That’s fine, good for them. There is still a conference rule that prevents the impromptu crossover matchup. OSU can’t force that game anymore than aggy can force the SEC to let them play OU.

 

[Guido]

I read this somewhere. Don’t know about its veracity: “To keep a three-win team from opting out of the rest of the season and get automatic seeding in the CCG with the best win percentage.”

Regarding OU: they’re free? That’s fine, good for them. There is still a conference rule that prevents the impromptu crossover matchup. OSU can’t force that game anymore than aggy can force the SEC to let them play OU.

Rules? We don't need no stinking rules. I like you 2 big10 guys who frequent this board. You're homers for the big10, which is cool, i would be also if i were from there. But come on, to quote another great movie, roads? Where we're going, we don't need any roads.

 

[Guido]

The funny thing here is, this is just like every other year in the playoff era, moaning and groaning about this and that, but in the end it seems to work itself out. I can't think of a team who has won the NC but didn't deserve it.

 

[Guido]

I read this somewhere. Don’t know about its veracity: “To keep a three-win team from opting out of the rest of the season and get automatic seeding in the CCG with the best win percentage.”

Regarding OU: they’re free? That’s fine, good for them. There is still a conference rule that prevents the impromptu crossover matchup. OSU can’t force that game anymore than aggy can force the SEC to let them play OU.

WOW the big10 thought so little of their schools that they put that rule in? Not sure about that

 

[78Alum]

I don't think OSU deserves to be in with playing just 6 games (how many years have they lost a game later in the season?), but I am glad that it looks like they will be. I can just imagine this year being considered an "asterisk" year in years to come, especially if the playoff only include SEC and ACC teams. I think it helps to have the B1G included. I just want Bama to win and to win big. Let's go 13-0!

 

[OSUTideFan]

WOW the big10 thought so little of their schools that they put that rule in? Not sure about that

It wouldn’t surprise me. Some of the Big Ten members are extremely petty and bush league.

 

[bvandegraff]

It doesn't matter to me if they get in or not, but I liked Cecil's take:

Cecil's take....

(Sorry, not good at embedding twitter....)

 

[Guido]

It wouldn’t surprise me. Some of the Big Ten members are extremely petty and bush league.

To whom do you speak of ,good sir

 

[OSUTideFan]

To whom do you speak of ,good sir

Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Iowa, Rutgers, Maryland, Wisconsin, Illinois, Nebraska, Northwestern and Minnesota.

 

[Guido]

Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Iowa, Rutgers, Maryland, Wisconsin, Illinois, Nebraska, Northwestern and Minnesota.

Could you

Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Iowa, Rutgers, Maryland, Wisconsin, Illinois, Nebraska, Northwestern and Minnesota.

Could you please be more specific

Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Iowa, Rutgers, Maryland, Wisconsin, Illinois, Nebraska, Northwestern and Minnesota.

Uhh, got it

 

[RammerJammer14]

I was harping on the Pac-12's limited games earlier in the season and openly said I was giving the Big 10 a pass even though both conferences were trying to game the system a bit (last second schedule to be playoff eligible).

In this case, the committee has a very real question to answer. Was all that quality win stuff a lie? When they put two-loss Auburn ahead of one-loss Alabama, it was only really justified because Auburn had a quality win against Georgia. Without that, it was an outlandish choice.

Now we have a team with 5, maybe 6 wins and thus far only one quality win. I think the committee is at the point where they should have a hard time justifying the ranking based on previous actions. Cincy is still at #8 and they are 8-0. Florida is 8-1 with a win over Georgia. Texas A&M is 7-1 with wins over Florida and Auburn, with their only loss coming to the #1 team.

The committee right now is just openly admitting that it's not about the number of wins, the difficulty of schedule, or quality wins. It's just about who they think is better. So this also means the choices in the past that they justified with that SoS type argument was just an excuse

The whole point of the committee was that it is subjective and malleable to the moment.

 

[CajunCrimson]