QB Competition 2018

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Man, I dig that and is why I love this site - been here 15 years and will go nowhere else. But I know leadership comes from the top and an organization is only as good as its leader, just like a family. This is easily fixable folks and I know we have the leader to fix it.
 
But what you'd be asking Jalen to do is execute the kind of pass plays he demonstrated he's not really good at. That's the bottleneck.

I agree with you that a game manager is good enough for us to win NC with all the talent around the qb. But the skill set of a game manager is not typically a guy who's really good at running and not very good at passing.

I am pretty sure that if we run the ball with emphasis like we did in the GMAC days then Hurts can hit an open receiver as the defense commits to the box.
 
I am pretty sure that if we run the ball with emphasis like we did in the GMAC days then Hurts can hit an open receiver as the defense commits to the box.
Going over some stats, the determination I made is that a dominant running back is actually more important to Alabama winning championships than great quarterback play. Past a certain point the quarterback seems to start to do too much, a dominant running back doesn't emerge, and the team as a whole isn't as good. So they key is more competent quarterback not being asked to do too much and a dominant running back. Arguably Hurts has been asked to do too much, but four out of 5 of the best seasons from Nick Saban Alabama quarterbacks didn't result in championships. However, the best seasons running backs have had under Nick Saban resulted in championships. The key arguably is to ask less of any quarterback and ask more of your best running back.
 
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Just back from a walk thinking about Chip Kelly landing at UCLA with a QB heading to the NFL. Do we think that Kelly doesn't have QB talent on his list to address right away? What keeps Tua or any other national level offensive recruit from considering the possibility of going with a proven offensive mind who has a QB playing in the NFL as well as having played for a national championship Bama's offensive recruiting success could thin out a bit by 2018. Our QB debate could become completely moot.
 
Just back from a walk thinking about Chip Kelly landing at UCLA with a QB heading to the NFL. Do we think that Kelly doesn't have QB talent on his list to address right away? What keeps Tua or any other national level offensive recruit from considering the possibility of going with a proven offensive mind who has a QB playing in the NFL as well as having played for a national championship Bama's offensive recruiting success could thin out a bit by 2018. Our QB debate could become completely moot.

Having to sit out a year maybe?
 
I mean, I have no clue about what is happening on the inside. Nick Saban is the Coach. If Coach tells Jalen to run the offense the way he wants it run then that is what Jalen will do or will be on the bench. The staff has created the issue and they can rectify it. They need to call run plays and call pass plays, maybe an RPO here or there but get back to the staff directing the ball into the hands of our playmakers and all will be good. You certainly know much more than I on what is going on inside the team but I submit that whatever damage has been done within the ranks of the team can be fixed quickly - I mean in a millisecond - if the coaches take the reigns of the offensive play calling onto themselves and out of Hurts hands.
Look, Hurts is hanging on the ball when he's supposed to hand it off; he's hanging on to it when he's supposed to throw it; he's hanging on to it almost all of the time when it's supposed to be an RPO. When running plays are divided up six each to the three RBs and 18 to himself, with a sprinkling of passes, not many plays at all when the other team manages 12+ minutes more in TOP, you are not going to have a happy team. You seem to think the play-callers can just flip a switch and change all that. They can't. All plays go through the ball distributor. When the ball distributor ceases to distribute the ball and assumes that he can do it all, you have a situation, the one we're in, which cannot be cured by the staff simply with a simple command. Confidence, once lost, is difficult to restore. It may not come back this year...
 
Look, Hurts is hanging on the ball when he's supposed to hand it off; he's hanging on to it when he's supposed to throw it; he's hanging on to it almost all of the time when it's supposed to be an RPO. When running plays are divided up six each to the three RBs and 18 to himself, with a sprinkling of passes, not many plays at all when the other team manages 12+ minutes more in TOP, you are not going to have a happy team. You seem to think the play-callers can just flip a switch and change all that. They can't. All plays go through the ball distributor. When the ball distributor ceases to distribute the ball and assumes that he can do it all, you have a situation, the one we're in, which cannot be cured by the staff simply with a simple command. Confidence, once lost, is difficult to restore. It may not come back this year...

Good point. Why do you think Jalen is doing this though? Not making the right reads, trying to do too much, or maybe he's trying to be the ball hog thinking he can do everything? I wonder what (if anything) Saban has said about this to Jalen. Now that the game is over and they can look at the stats/plays... they should clearly see the distribution issues.
 
Look, Hurts is hanging on the ball when he's supposed to hand it off; he's hanging on to it when he's supposed to throw it; he's hanging on to it almost all of the time when it's supposed to be an RPO. When running plays are divided up six each to the three RBs and 18 to himself, with a sprinkling of passes, not many plays at all when the other team manages 12+ minutes more in TOP, you are not going to have a happy team. You seem to think the play-callers can just flip a switch and change all that. They can't. All plays go through the ball distributor. When the ball distributor ceases to distribute the ball and assumes that he can do it all, you have a situation, the one we're in, which cannot be cured by the staff simply with a simple command. Confidence, once lost, is difficult to restore. It may not come back this year...

I understand that completely. But what I am saying is take RPO out of the equation. RPO=run-pass option. Take the option away from him and tell him to give the ball to the running back on a designed running play. If he does not do it THEN sit him on the bench. We have a QB making the decision what is best and we need to take that away by having 90% of the plays called by the coaches on the sidelines. The coaches have created this not Jalen.
 
Look, Hurts is hanging on the ball when he's supposed to hand it off; he's hanging on to it when he's supposed to throw it; he's hanging on to it almost all of the time when it's supposed to be an RPO. When running plays are divided up six each to the three RBs and 18 to himself, with a sprinkling of passes, not many plays at all when the other team manages 12+ minutes more in TOP, you are not going to have a happy team. You seem to think the play-callers can just flip a switch and change all that. They can't. All plays go through the ball distributor. When the ball distributor ceases to distribute the ball and assumes that he can do it all, you have a situation, the one we're in, which cannot be cured by the staff simply with a simple command. Confidence, once lost, is difficult to restore. It may not come back this year...

Earle is 100 percent right. How many times have we seen where We've seen a big hole but Jalen keeps the ball at the wrong time. I'm real concerned about the Offense and I'm not sure if we can fix our issues in 30 days.. within it's a bowl or playoff game. They may have to eliminate the RPO and go with quick passes and heavy dose of running games.
 
earle is 100 percent right. How many times have we seen where we've seen a big hole but jalen keeps the ball at the wrong time. I'm real concerned about the offense and i'm not sure if we can fix our issues in 30 days.. Within it's a bowl or playoff game. they may have to eliminate the rpo and go with quick passes and heavy dose of running games.

yes, yes, yes!!!
 
Look, Hurts is hanging on the ball when he's supposed to hand it off; he's hanging on to it when he's supposed to throw it; he's hanging on to it almost all of the time when it's supposed to be an RPO
I'm kind of curious how this ties into you saying Daboll was being held back by Saban weeks ago.

But, what I said then is still what I said now. Hurts should have been forced to get rid of the ball. He had to be made to run less. If he's misusing the option you take away the option, and I was consistent with that. Perhaps Alabama has gone too far down the road of letting Hurts have too much say in the offense, but I thought the whole way that was a mistake. Hopefully this is a correctable situation though, if it is, one month is as much as they could ask to try to sort it out.
 
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Good point. Why do you think Jalen is doing this though? Not making the right reads, trying to do too much, or maybe he's trying to be the ball hog thinking he can do everything? I wonder what (if anything) Saban has said about this to Jalen. Now that the game is over and they can look at the stats/plays... they should clearly see the distribution issues.

Rat Poison...
 
Rat Poison...
I'm willing to give him the benefit of a doubt. Last year he was not just more limited as a passer, he was thrust into a few terrible situations. He was having plays called that were not really plays against Washington, so all he could do was just wing it, and he did ok considering. Then against Clemson the play calling situation lead to the Clemson defense really having almost as good an idea about the play call as Alabama. So, more justification for bailing on plays. The problem is clearly some bad habits have become ingrained and he was never broken of them earlier in the season.

If you look, he has run in basically every game this year. Even when there was absolutely no need for him to. So even at points in which Hurts should have been given strict guidance not to escape the pocket, or to hand off, he still ended up running the ball. The thing is it worked better early in the year, but became less successful as the season progressed. Basically it seemed to reach a point that when they wanted to turn it off, they couldn't. Part of that clearly is on Hurts, but I had concerns regarding this for quite a while and expressed them. Clearly though the path forward for Hurts should involve getting the ball out of his hands quicker and more often.

Then again against Miss. State, Hurts really did appear to save Alabama when the defense couldn't get off the field. It's tough when Alabama puts itself in a situation to overly rely on the quarterback. If Hurts was just taking the rat poison though... he should know better now.
 
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Look, Hurts is hanging on the ball when he's supposed to hand it off; he's hanging on to it when he's supposed to throw it; he's hanging on to it almost all of the time when it's supposed to be an RPO. When running plays are divided up six each to the three RBs and 18 to himself, with a sprinkling of passes, not many plays at all when the other team manages 12+ minutes more in TOP, you are not going to have a happy team. You seem to think the play-callers can just flip a switch and change all that. They can't. All plays go through the ball distributor. When the ball distributor ceases to distribute the ball and assumes that he can do it all, you have a situation, the one we're in, which cannot be cured by the staff simply with a simple command. Confidence, once lost, is difficult to restore. It may not come back this year...


This pretty much sums it up right here, good post.
 
Just back from a walk thinking about Chip Kelly landing at UCLA with a QB heading to the NFL. Do we think that Kelly doesn't have QB talent on his list to address right away? What keeps Tua or any other national level offensive recruit from considering the possibility of going with a proven offensive mind who has a QB playing in the NFL as well as having played for a national championship Bama's offensive recruiting success could thin out a bit by 2018. Our QB debate could become completely moot.

UGA's Jacob Eason has to have some place to transfer to
 
I understand that completely. But what I am saying is take RPO out of the equation. RPO=run-pass option. Take the option away from him and tell him to give the ball to the running back on a designed running play. If he does not do it THEN sit him on the bench. We have a QB making the decision what is best and we need to take that away by having 90% of the plays called by the coaches on the sidelines. The coaches have created this not Jalen.
If you do that, how do you justify keeping the dual purpose QB who's not the best passer on the team in the starting role? In addition, I'm not at all sure that cutting down or cutting out the RPOs is all of the answer. Another goal has to be restoring confidence and harmony on the team. That takes action, not promises. IOW, the first step is Jalen's and the ball is literally in his court. The staff can't do it alone, no matter what you've assumed...
 
I'm kind of curious how this ties into you saying Daboll was being held back by Saban weeks ago.

But, what I said then is still what I said now. Hurts should have been forced to get rid of the ball. He had to be made to run less. If he's misusing the option you take away the option, and I was consistent with that. Perhaps Alabama has gone too far down the road of letting Hurts have too much say in the offense, but I thought the whole way that was a mistake. Hopefully this is a correctable situation though, if it is, one month is as much as they could ask to try to sort it out.
I don't think you can modify the play package to modify Jalen. I think you have to modify Jalen directly, which means he has to buy in...
 
I hope that Jalen reads TideFans. I want him to succeed. I just wonder if anyone is telling him what he needs to hear. Time for some tough love.
 
I don't think you can modify the play package to modify Jalen. I think you have to modify Jalen directly, which means he has to buy in...
But how do you go about teaching him better habits after throwing him out there as a true freshman and ingraining bad ones (one thing I mentioned prior to the start of last year as a concern)? I mean he has to be trained somehow, while I agree he has to buy in, it is like a dog that's used to being kicked. The first instinct is still to run when there's a sudden movement. That's where I think Hurts was failed, they let him get away with the wrong behavior too long, and you're right in that he had to buy in, but it didn't need to go this far before it came to a head.
 
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