Immigration and Customs Enforcement (I.C.E.)
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A completely meaningless statement. Exactly where would he have had an opportunity to fire on American forces unless he was stationed in Iraq or was a Houthi or Hamas operative. He could just as easily be a plant by Iran as he could be a private Iranian citizen trying to improve his lot in life. We don't know which is why we need to exercise extreme caution.
It bugs me that that's not being done - they need to disincentivize the use of illegal labor.
They need to go after the business owners hiring illegals and the illegals. I'm not sure why that cannot be done.
This phrase choice actually changes the conversation in a different direction. So you're suggesting ICE is just going after "brown people"?
I do wonder if illegals would continue to work for the same lower wages as Americans if they had all of the same taxes taken out of their paychecks that Americans do? That's a component I rarely see discussed. If I'm getting paid straight cash (under the table) and the employer isn't having to pay employee payroll taxes, I can accept less pay because I'm not having any taxes withheld. This is where going after the business (for hiring illegals) is just as effective as going after the illegals themselves. If they would hammer their butts with massive fines and penalties the gravy train would dry up.
You know what else we don't see getting discussed enough? When people are making money under the table and their "official" income is next-to-nothing, how many social services are they qualifying for? Food stamps? Medicaid? All the free stuff that is in no way actually "free?"
The reason$ for not arre$ting busine$$ owner$ is pretty obviou$.
You mean to tell me government officials' pockets are getting laced with $$$?!
Is that under just one type of administration or are all of them doing it? Asking for a friend trying to keep informed.
While stats regarding race from the current operations don't seem to be available, the anecdotal evidence from videos and news reports certainly seem to bend in that direction. Representative Ted Lieu also has concerns: https://www.facebook.com/reel/650502891334460.
Whether the racial component is accurate or not, my broader point stands. I'll keep a look out for official information.
I would venture to say the majority of illegals in this country are non-white. The fact that the percentage (58%) of the country that whites currently make up, compared to just 30 years ago (73%) tells us this is true. So, of course, most of the people they detain are more than likely going to be non white. How you worded your statement made it sound like you were suggesting ICE was indiscriminately looking for people because they were "brown" and deporting them. So I was wanting you to clarify what you meant, if need be.
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Heh. The brown people. Love identity politics, as if there's groupthink in skin tone. Lots of shades of brown out there. Mexican brown, Filipino brown, Colombian brown, Indian brown. Etc. Etc.
My next door neighbor is from Portugal. A while back we had an interesting conversation, and he asked me if he was "a brown." I told him that he was pretty brown, but I didn't think he was "a brown." Amilcar came here on his own as a young man and worked his butt off in construction, climbed the ladder, and is now very well off. Even though Amilcar is browner than most browns, he doesn't check any of the boxes to be politically useful for the identity politics crowd.
I grew up in a hard work environment without air conditioning and landscaped my way through high school.
The difference today to a degree is air conditioning. Those living in that environment would literally be exhausted within an hour of being in a field or on a rooftop.
In the 1st qtr of this year $36 Billion in weight loss drug components were flown into the US by Eli Lilly from their plant in Ireland. Does that sound like a population that is prepared for hard work?
Our laptops, I phones and our other electronic gadgets are built in virtual slavery conditions in Asia. I saw an estimate that an Iphone would cost $3000 assembled in the US.
All of this discussion around illegals goes round and round. It becomes a political discussion and as a country we never come to any resolution.
As TideWater said on another topic our birthrates are down. We need immigrants to maintain our economy and even staff our military.
I agree that many immigrants are paid under the table but thousands of others pay taxes, buy groceries and a myriad of other thigs that keep the gears of economy working.
The difference today to a degree is air conditioning. Those living in that environment would literally be exhausted within an hour of being in a field or on a rooftop.
In the 1st qtr of this year $36 Billion in weight loss drug components were flown into the US by Eli Lilly from their plant in Ireland. Does that sound like a population that is prepared for hard work?
Our laptops, I phones and our other electronic gadgets are built in virtual slavery conditions in Asia. I saw an estimate that an Iphone would cost $3000 assembled in the US.
All of this discussion around illegals goes round and round. It becomes a political discussion and as a country we never come to any resolution.
As TideWater said on another topic our birthrates are down. We need immigrants to maintain our economy and even staff our military.
I agree that many immigrants are paid under the table but thousands of others pay taxes, buy groceries and a myriad of other thigs that keep the gears of economy working.
Obviously I won't speak for Huck, but this is EXACTLY what people are being encouraged to think by the usual suspects. The real question is why that is. The word "racist" has been so thoroughly misused and over-applied that it has practically lost all meaning now, so I'm not sure what they hope to achieve here.
"Brown" people?? Only the Left can come up with something so ridiculous. So, you are from Portugal, most assuredly a European country, and you are brown. If your heritage is Italy or France, just a few hundred miles away and you are "white". "Brown" is not a racial identity. It's made up construct by those absolutely obsessed with Identity Politics.
Most Americans want healthcare to be available with their job. A lot of low wage unskilled labor jobs are in industries with low margin high volume demands.
If we want to entice more Americans to look at the type jobs, nationalized healthcare slotted for these type jobs, not to all citizens mind you, might the only way to increase demand for these type jobs. Farmer can't afford a healthcare benefit for their workers 98% of farmers can't afford it for themselves or resort to getting healthcare through a spouse off-farm employment.
Imo, if there are 2 programs this country needs to maintain its independence is deposit insurance and farm insurance for farms with less than $10 million in annual revenue, indexed to inflation.
We simply cannot export our food security to other countries. It's easy to be against farm subsidies on a full belly. Our nation's farm industry is in the worst shape its been at least since the late 70s and 80s. The price of cotton today is almost half what it was in mid 90s. Corn prices today are the same as in the mid 90s. The fact we even still grow cotton nationally speaks to how our technology has advanced the efficiency of farming that a profit can be derived from prices unchanged from 30-50 years ago.
Meanwhile, South America is taking market share from the US in ag production everyday with the help of US conglomerates like AMD, Conagra, and Bunge. The same thing that NAFTA did to manufacturing in the 90s the same is happening to ag now in the US with help of our tariff policy and lack of a farm bill. It will not come back once it's lost. Then, we may then really be concerned with the price of eggs in China...
If we want to entice more Americans to look at the type jobs, nationalized healthcare slotted for these type jobs, not to all citizens mind you, might the only way to increase demand for these type jobs. Farmer can't afford a healthcare benefit for their workers 98% of farmers can't afford it for themselves or resort to getting healthcare through a spouse off-farm employment.
Imo, if there are 2 programs this country needs to maintain its independence is deposit insurance and farm insurance for farms with less than $10 million in annual revenue, indexed to inflation.
We simply cannot export our food security to other countries. It's easy to be against farm subsidies on a full belly. Our nation's farm industry is in the worst shape its been at least since the late 70s and 80s. The price of cotton today is almost half what it was in mid 90s. Corn prices today are the same as in the mid 90s. The fact we even still grow cotton nationally speaks to how our technology has advanced the efficiency of farming that a profit can be derived from prices unchanged from 30-50 years ago.
Meanwhile, South America is taking market share from the US in ag production everyday with the help of US conglomerates like AMD, Conagra, and Bunge. The same thing that NAFTA did to manufacturing in the 90s the same is happening to ag now in the US with help of our tariff policy and lack of a farm bill. It will not come back once it's lost. Then, we may then really be concerned with the price of eggs in China...
Southern Portugal has about 10% or so sub-Saharan ancestry, so they do tend to be browner than some other Europeans...
It was reported today that many of the masked "ICE" officials are deputized prison guards. Thus the masks and the mistaken arrest of American citizens.
Very nice story and a valid point regarding those who try to pigeonhole individuals based on their racial identity, but it has nothing to do with my earlier use of the term "brown people."Heh. The brown people. Love identity politics, as if there's groupthink in skin tone. Lots of shades of brown out there. Mexican brown, Filipino brown, Colombian brown, Indian brown. Etc. Etc.
My next door neighbor is from Portugal. A while back we had an interesting conversation, and he asked me if he was "a brown." I told him that he was pretty brown, but I didn't think he was "a brown." Amilcar came here on his own as a young man and worked his butt off in construction, climbed the ladder, and is now very well off. Even though Amilcar is browner than most browns, he doesn't check any of the boxes to be politically useful for the identity politics crowd.
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