Abortion

[HSV_1969]

because the point is to control women

period

Well, the ability to see things from a common perspective may have officially left the building with that.

In my mind, I don't want to control anyone, just to protect innocent life. Carrying a unwanted pregnancy to term may be an inconvenience, but it is not a guaranteed 20 year commitment. There are options available like adoption. I know couples that have adopted, and the waiting lists are long for that process, so acting like there are no other options after birth is not realistic.

There are resources available to pregnant women as well to get help during pregnancy and after. One of which I have been involved with is Agape of North Alabama.

 

[Chukker Veteran]

Only a man could say that carrying a baby to term is an inconvenience.
Being pregnant in a red state can be dangerous for the mother if anything goes wrong, as we’ve seen over and over.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Only a man could say that carrying a baby to term is an inconvenience.
Being pregnant in a red state can be dangerous for the mother if anything goes wrong, as we’ve seen over and over.

Carrying a baby takes a toll on you both physically and mentally. And even if you are not ready for a child giving one up for an adoption also cannot be easy. Calling it an "inconvenience" is absurd

 

[jthomas666]

Jon, you have my sympathy for the situation that you described with the lost pregnancy, and I have no moral issue with the abortion in the situation you presented.

This situation does not fall into the "elective abortion" that I feel is indefensible.

Here's the thing--because of the various draconian laws being put in place, there are many areas in which couples in the same position as Jon do cannot receive proper medical care.

In some cases it's because the provider is afraid of running afoul of the law. In others it's because hospitals don't have people trained in the proper procedures. Alabama saw a marked decrease in the number of med students applying for OB-GYN residencies. In that environment, what happens when current OB-GYNs retire and there is no one to replace them?

 

[Jon]

Well, the ability to see things from a common perspective may have officially left the building with that.

In my mind, I don't want to control anyone, just to protect innocent life. Carrying a unwanted pregnancy to term may be an inconvenience, but it is not a guaranteed 20 year commitment. There are options available like adoption. I know couples that have adopted, and the waiting lists are long for that process, so acting like there are no other options after birth is not realistic.

There are resources available to pregnant women as well to get help during pregnancy and after. One of which I have been involved with is Agape of North Alabama.

I believe you don't want to control anyone but I promise you the people pushing behind the scenes absolutely do. It is a decades long full blitz propaganda campaign that sprung out of segregation and morphed to this. It is the same reason they want to end no fault divorce and birth control. Control. You believe it is about babies, it isn't


and edit to bring reciepts

There’s a straight line from US racial segregation to the anti-abortion movement | Randall Balmer

Leaders of the religious right would have us believe that Roe v Wade mobilized apolitical Christians. The real story is very different

www.theguardian.com

 

[crimsonaudio]

I believe you don't want to control anyone but I promise you the people pushing behind the scenes absolutely do. It is a decades long full blitz propaganda campaign that sprung out of segregation and morphed to this. It is the same reason they want to end no fault divorce and birth control. Control. You believe it is about babies, it isn't

Now you're telling him how he feels and what his motivations is? The poster shared his perspective and you respond with this?

Good grief, climb down from your high horse.

 

[Jon]

Now you're telling him how he feels and what his motivations is? The poster shared his perspective and you respond with this?

Good grief, climb down from your high horse.

can you not read or do you just lack reading comprehension skills? Seriously

I very clearly stated that I believed his motivation to be genuine.

 

[crimsonaudio]

can you not read or do you just lack reading comprehension skills? Seriously

I very clearly stated that I believed his motivation to be genuine.

You're projecting your belief onto everyone out there who is 'behind this movement' and it's ludicrous.

 

[Go Bama]

In my mind, I don't want to control anyone, just to protect innocent life. Carrying a unwanted pregnancy to term may be an inconvenience, but it is not a guaranteed 20 year commitment. There are options available like adoption. I know couples that have adopted, and the waiting lists are long for that process, so acting like there are no other options after birth is not realistic.

I believe you when you say you don't want to control anyone.

But "carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term may be an inconvenience," you may want to reword.

FWIW, I have a biological daughter and an adopted daughter.

Where we differ is you think abortion is murder. I think it is humane.

 

[Jon]

You're projecting your belief onto everyone out there who is 'behind this movement' and it's ludicrous.

There’s a straight line from US racial segregation to the anti-abortion movement | Randall Balmer

Leaders of the religious right would have us believe that Roe v Wade mobilized apolitical Christians. The real story is very different

www.theguardian.com

these are the racists behind this movement

you can "believe" whatever you want.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

Regardless of whether any of us think abortion is ok, always wrong, sometimes ok, or are somewhere in that big gray area - I don't see it ever being overturned. Unless we become a completely different sort of country, that none of us really recognize. Totalitarian or theocracy comes to mind.

Talk about hitting the nail on the head.

 

[HSV_1969]

Where we differ is you think abortion is murder. I think it is humane.

Is there any point during the in utero development when you believe an elective abortion would be inhumane?

 

[92tide]

There’s a straight line from US racial segregation to the anti-abortion movement | Randall Balmer

Leaders of the religious right would have us believe that Roe v Wade mobilized apolitical Christians. The real story is very different

www.theguardian.com

these are the racists behind this movement

you can "believe" whatever you want.

and it’s not like this is new information

 

[Chukker Veteran]

What does the saying "barefoot and pregnant" mean?

"Barefoot and pregnant" is a figure of speech most commonly associated with the idea that women should not work outside the home and should have many children during their reproductive years. Barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

 

[Go Bama]

Is there any point during the in utero development when you believe an elective abortion would be inhumane?

Yes, when the fetus is viable. That's what I was talking about in an earlier post. However, I am open minded and may change my mind about when the fetus is viable.

I agree there reaches a point when a fetus develops into a human that should not be aborted. This point will have to be decided upon if there is ever to be a compromise.

At one point in my life, I was very anti-abortion. Life's experiences allow us to learn and grow, hopefully, in the right ways.

This is as controversial a topic as exists. I certainly mean no disrespect to you personally, I'm just stating my opinion and gauging yours. There are women who have had abortions and regretted it. It is an irreversible decision. Be that as it may, IMO, it is their decision to make.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

Is there any point during the in utero development when you believe an elective abortion would be inhumane?

Second trimester and beyond for me, unless the life of the mother was at risk.

 

[crimsonaudio]

There’s a straight line from US racial segregation to the anti-abortion movement | Randall Balmer

Leaders of the religious right would have us believe that Roe v Wade mobilized apolitical Christians. The real story is very different

www.theguardian.com

these are the racists behind this movement

you can "believe" whatever you want.

And you can project whatever you want to project.

I know tons of people who are anti-abortion - even some lawmakers - who aren't at all about 'controlling women'.

But I get it, someone wrote an article that bolsters what you want to believe to that's fact.

 

[Jon]

And you can project whatever you want to project.

I know tons of people who are anti-abortion - even some lawmakers - who aren't at all about 'controlling women'.

But I get it, someone wrote an article that bolsters what you want to believe to that's fact.

Lol

this article outlines what happened from a guy who was in the room. Again, believe what you want but this is what happened.

As for today. Tell me. Why does the right want to end birth control?

why end uncontested divorce?

why end all abortions?

doesn't take a genius to put it all together and see what the end goal is here

and it isn't about protecting babies

never has been

Do these same people want to provide free contraception, the answer is no

do they want to provide pre-natal heathcare? also no

do they want to teach real sex Ed? Also NO

it was born out of racism and is about controlling women.

period

again, believe whatever the heck you want, but you are wrong. Even if it is about babies for you, it wasn't for them

 

[crimsonaudio]

It's amazing that you're such a binary thinker that you believe they somehow work as some monolithic force, LOL.

 

[Jon]

It's amazing that you're such a binary thinker that you believe they somehow work as some monolithic force, LOL.

least I am thinking, you clearly aren't