Alabama QBs in 2024, II

[davefrat]

What's fascinating about this discussion, that's been ongoing for over a year now, is that you have one side that thinks Simpson is the better option based on A Day, mop up time, or just a general belief that he is. On the other side you have those that think after 3 years and a full year of starting that Milroe is going to eliminate a lot of his short comings. I have don't know the right answer, though I do put a ton of faith in the coaches that seem to continue to put Milroe higher on the depth chart than Simpson.

There's a reason why they're getting paid more in a year than I will make in my lifetime. One would assume they know more about what they're doing than people like us offering our armchair opinions.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Would dropping the ball before crossing the goal line be considered a 101 mistake? Look, Ty may be up to the challenge of leading the Tide to the playoffs. I just haven't seen evidence of that yet. And when I go back and watch film from last year, I don't see all that 101 stuff. There was some here and there. But nothing like what you and others say. Jalen played well last year for the most part. Too many sacks, even with the OL causing many of them. He otherwise did well. Well enough to put him in the Heisman talk for 2024. And Jalen has said the sacks won't be an issue this year. I believe him. I do think the coaching staff are helping him clean things up.

Dropping the ball before crossing the goal line was a stupid mistake unfortunately done by a lot of very good players over the years trying to be cute. So it happens. But there's no way you or I have seen enough body of work from him to judge what he can or cannot do with extended reps. If Jalen doesn't clean up the things that plagued him last season, we'll see Simpson play this season to see what he can do.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

What's fascinating about this discussion, that's been ongoing for over a year now, is that you have one side that thinks Simpson is the better option based on A Day, mop up time, or just a general belief that he is. On the other side you have those that think after 3 years and a full year of starting that Milroe is going to eliminate a lot of his short comings. I have don't know the right answer, though I do put a ton of faith in the coaches that seem to continue to put Milroe higher on the depth chart than Simpson.

Milroe has the benefit of experience which will definitely give him the edge with a new coaching staff. I think as of now he is the leading candidate for the job. The job is his to lose. So if he can clean up his issues from last season, he'll stay QB1. If we begin to see the problems that plagued him last season, I see the staff starting to give Simpson some game snaps.

I have no idea if Simpson is "better" than Milroe, I just saw enough of Milroe (and his mistakes) to know that the QB position isn't slammed shut. For all the good things he did do, he did some fatal things that if it continues this season you have to give someone else a shot. There's just no other way around that.

 

[gman4tide]

What gets me is how the elephant in the room is ignored in regards to the usf game last year. If that wasn't close to a full team mutiny, I don't know what would be...and i truly believe that was a huge deciding factor in Coach Saban retiring at the end of the year. But there is no way one could watch that game and make any sort of conclusion (other than TS played his rear off to win that game) that TS isn't game ready. Seemed there wasn't but 3 or 4 team mates on the offensive side of the ball that were even trying. To me, watching on tv, if that wasn't a near mutiny then someone needs to check for wrongdoing or drugging the team. There is no way a whole team (that talented) can play that bad, that day...then come back and play so good in games after. I may step on some toes, sorry not sorry. Its just the way i feel.

 

[irvingtontide]

What gets me is how the elephant in the room is ignored in regards to the usf game last year. If that wasn't close to a full team mutiny, I don't know what would be...and i truly believe that was a huge deciding factor in Coach Saban retiring at the end of the year. But there is no way one could watch that game and make any sort of conclusion (other than TS played his rear off to win that game) that TS isn't game ready. Seemed there wasn't but 3 or 4 team mates on the offensive side of the ball that were even trying. To me, watching on tv, if that wasn't a near mutiny then someone needs to check for wrongdoing or drugging the team. There is no way a whole team (that talented) can play that bad, that day...then come back and play so good in games after. I may step on some toes, sorry not sorry. Its just the way i feel.

Yea that game doesn’t pass the “smell test”. For the most part it seemed the O-Line didn’t even try. Add to the booker all of a sudden missed the game because of back spasm but then never had another issue. Just seemed off at the time.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

What gets me is how the elephant in the room is ignored in regards to the usf game last year. If that wasn't close to a full team mutiny, I don't know what would be...and i truly believe that was a huge deciding factor in Coach Saban retiring at the end of the year. But there is no way one could watch that game and make any sort of conclusion (other than TS played his rear off to win that game) that TS isn't game ready. Seemed there wasn't but 3 or 4 team mates on the offensive side of the ball that were even trying. To me, watching on tv, if that wasn't a near mutiny then someone needs to check for wrongdoing or drugging the team. There is no way a whole team (that talented) can play that bad, that day...then come back and play so good in games after. I may step on some toes, sorry not sorry. Its just the way i feel.

It hasn't been ignored.

It's been talked about a lot in various threads and you've probably just missed it somehow.

It was a straight up revolt by the OL (and a few others) because they didn't like Buchner starting over Milroe.

They let that dude get hammered by USF's front until he was straight shell-shocked and got the yips. He then transferred back to ND to play Lacrosse and this year he is walking on the ND FB team as a WR. God speed to him and I hope he has a good year.

But anyway when Ty Simpson came in after that they still let guys come through....and yes I mean LET them.

Only Ty and a couple of the RB's (Roydell and Jase) were playing at 100% effort on that side of the ball.

I'll never forget it and I'm quite frankly not happy about a few of those mutineers still being on the team but it's out of my control and all I can do is hope something like that is never allowed to happen again.

 

[CB4]

Yea that game doesn’t pass the “smell test”. For the most part it seemed the O-Line didn’t even try. Add to the booker all of a sudden missed the game because of back spasm but then never had another issue. Just seemed off at the time.

And unfortunately I would say “prepare yourself for more of it” and not just at Alabama. Dealing with player expectations, desires, and playing time was complicated in years past. With NIL and open transfer things only became more complicated. Players now have more leverage than ever before. And many of them will put their personal wants, needs or desires ahead of the goals of the collective.

 

[colbysullivan]

What gets me is how the elephant in the room is ignored in regards to the usf game last year. If that wasn't close to a full team mutiny, I don't know what would be...and i truly believe that was a huge deciding factor in Coach Saban retiring at the end of the year. But there is no way one could watch that game and make any sort of conclusion (other than TS played his rear off to win that game) that TS isn't game ready. Seemed there wasn't but 3 or 4 team mates on the offensive side of the ball that were even trying. To me, watching on tv, if that wasn't a near mutiny then someone needs to check for wrongdoing or drugging the team. There is no way a whole team (that talented) can play that bad, that day...then come back and play so good in games after. I may step on some toes, sorry not sorry. Its just the way i feel.

Exactly. Our offense was pathetic that day, and Ty led them to victory on a rainy field. He also threw one of the best passes that any Bama QB threw all season.

 

[mlh]

Don’t forget body language, and which quarterback gets to throw the good footballs.

I heard JM partially deflated the balls the other QBs will be throwing today.

 

[TD7]

It hasn't been ignored.

It's been talked about a lot in various threads and you've probably just missed it somehow.

It was a straight up revolt by the OL (and a few others) because they didn't like Buchner starting over Milroe.

They let that dude get hammered by USF's front until he was straight shell-shocked and got the yips. He then transferred back to ND to play Lacrosse and this year he is walking on the ND FB team as a WR. God speed to him and I hope he has a good year.

But anyway when Ty Simpson came in after that they still let guys come through....and yes I mean LET them.

Only Ty and a couple of the RB's (Roydell and Jase) were playing at 100% effort on that side of the ball.

I'll never forget it and I'm quite frankly not happy about a few of those mutineers still being on the team but it's out of my control and all I can do is hope something like that is never allowed to happen again.

Outstanding post, and I'm not gonna name the players that are still on here that I think should be gone, but there are several on the offensive side of the ball that should no longer be on this team. Two of them are supposed leaders of the offense.

 

[dtgreg]

Would dropping the ball before crossing the goal line be considered a 101 mistake? Look, Ty may be up to the challenge of leading the Tide to the playoffs. I just haven't seen evidence of that yet. And when I go back and watch film from last year, I don't see all that 101 stuff. There was some here and there. But nothing like what you and others say. Jalen played well last year for the most part. Too many sacks, even with the OL causing many of them. He otherwise did well. Well enough to put him in the Heisman talk for 2024. And Jalen has said the sacks won't be an issue this year. I believe him. I do think the coaching staff are helping him clean things up.

I can see, well, I think we can all see many of the points of Jalen's detractors. I remember going crazy seeing some of the throws Jalen made early on last year. Then I started seeing they were all basically the same throw. Fairly long pass, from right hashmark to left corner of endzone. Beautiful throws for completions, but all very similar.

Hopefully he can make huge strides and start completing other throws and see basic reads. Also, make quicker decisions.

 

[davefrat]

When all the fighting about Milroe and the QB situation started here earlier this year there were people saying that Saban specifically said that the team picked Milroe and essentially confirmed that there was a Mutiny in Tampa that forced Saban to capitulate.

After much back and forth, no one to my knowledge ever substantiated this story.

Yet, the story of the Mutiny in Tampa is still bandied about as gospel.

Has anyone been able to substantiate that Saban confirmed said mutiny actually occurred?

Has anyone in an actual position to know substantiated it?

Or is this still in the realm of the second shooter on the Grassy Knoll?

 

[dtgreg]

It hasn't been ignored.

It's been talked about a lot in various threads and you've probably just missed it somehow.

It was a straight up revolt by the OL (and a few others) because they didn't like Buchner starting over Milroe.

They let that dude get hammered by USF's front until he was straight shell-shocked and got the yips. He then transferred back to ND to play Lacrosse and this year he is walking on the ND FB team as a WR. God speed to him and I hope he has a good year.

But anyway when Ty Simpson came in after that they still let guys come through....and yes I mean LET them.

Only Ty and a couple of the RB's (Roydell and Jase) were playing at 100% effort on that side of the ball.

I'll never forget it and I'm quite frankly not happy about a few of those mutineers still being on the team but it's out of my control and all I can do is hope something like that is never allowed to happen again.

WOW! I guess the mods will know if you have the inside you claim. I'm not saying you're making this up, but those are extreme accusations.

Truthfully, I never saw the line block for anybody last year. Centered the ball all over the place, couldn't mash folks in the run game, got consistently beaten on the edges in the passing game. It was rough. If you could see a mutiny, I saw business as usual without an amazing runner to bail out the playcall once it went playground.

 

[davefrat]

WOW! I guess the mods will know if you have the inside you claim. I'm not saying you're making this up, but those are extreme accusations.

Truthfully, I never saw the line block for anybody last year. Centered the ball all over the place, couldn't mash folks in the run game, got consistently beaten on the edges in the passing game. It was rough. If you could see a mutiny, I saw business as usual without an amazing runner to bail out the playcall once it went playground.

The O-line played like savages in the SEC Championship game, but other than that they were up and down all year.

 

[colbysullivan]

WOW! I guess the mods will know if you have the inside you claim. I'm not saying you're making this up, but those are extreme accusations.

With respect, have you been living under a rock? None of this is a secret.

 

[CrimsonEyeshade]

With respect, have you been living under a rock? None of this is a secret.

It was conjecture when it was first discussed. It remains conjecture now.

 

[davefrat]

With respect, have you been living under a rock? None of this is a secret.

The idea there was a mutiny isn't a secret.

Verification that it actually happened seems to be lacking.

Saban has addressed the situation surrounding Milroe's benching and retaking the starting job, but I'm not aware that he has ever verified that there was a mutiny, much less that he caved to it.

 

[TiderJack]

It was conjecture when it was first discussed. It remains conjecture now.

I actually brought this up a few months ago when it was spreading like a wildfire on our board and there was no evidence from any coach, player or parent, however, some of our posters said it is fact. It is the way of the world now.

 

[davefrat]

I actually brought this up a few months ago when it was spreading like a wildfire on our board and there was no evidence from any coach, player or parent, however, some of our posters said it is fact. It is the way of the world now.

In addition to Saban addressing the benching of Milroe and his comments being completely devoid of any reference to a mutiny, he has also been quite open about the players' and parents' insistence on money rather than mentorship as a reason he decided to retire...but again, nothing about a mutiny or anything like that.

Absent any substantive proof that the mutiny occurred, it really has to be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Nothing has been "officially" confirmed on the idea there was a player revolt. But one thing that has been confirmed and that's the effort the OL gave that day was pitiful. There was a time when a certain coach walked the sidelines who would have benched the entire OL the rest of the game just to make a point. That was one of the worst displays of effort I'd seen by an Alabama offensive line in my lifetime.