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Alabama QBs in 2024, II

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CrimsonEyeshade said:
Inexplicably bad games happen in competitive sports. Go dig up the Alabama/FSU game from 1974. Rainy conditions. Unsettled QB room. (Sound familiar?) FSU had lost like 30 straight, and yet it took a last second Bucky Berry FG for us to win.
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It is a good story. I was there. It was a sunny warm day completely clear. Richard Todd was injured and was held out of the game. FSU played their best game by far and Bama was listless. There were holes in Bama's defensive line that I could have run through. The field goal to win it did sail through on our end of the field. Coach Bryant did say that FSU was the best team they played although their record didn't support that. My quite lovely SIL was along and we had a wonderful dinner in B'ham on the way back to Huntsville.
 
Cruloc said:
A comparison of the honk if you sacked Brodie game and last years USF game is a stretch.

We were a team with Shula and restrictions against a team that had better matchups and better athletes and found a weakness...exploited it.

USF was a lack of effort.....apathy. The reason for that I'll just leave at....unknown.
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Wasn’t really a comparison, just a comment.

There are obviously lines that have been drawn on this issue across which some will never move, no matter what the facts are or aren’t.

Sadly, it seems like that’s more the norm than the exception with just about everything anymore.
 
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So there was no mutiny?

Y'all can call it by another name but almost everybody agrees the OL didn't try and (what are the odds???) JM was being disciplined at the same time!!!

I'm kinda tired of seeing something with my eyes and people telling me, "Oh, no that's not what you saw."
 
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BamaMoon said:
So there was no mutiny?

Y'all can call it by another name but almost everybody agrees the OL didn't try and (what are the odds???) JM was being disciplined at the same time!!!

I'm kinda tired of seeing something with my eyes and people telling me, "Oh, no that's not what you saw."
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If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it’s just a dog having a bad day.
 
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BamaMoon said:
So there was no mutiny?

Y'all can call it by another name but almost everybody agrees the OL didn't try and (what are the odds???) JM was being disciplined at the same time!!!

I'm kinda tired of seeing something with my eyes and people telling me, "Oh, no that's not what you saw."
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Anybody can call it quiting, feeling sorry or having your head up your a** and I would agree but a mutiny it was not.

A mutiny is a refusal by people, usually soldiers or sailors, to continue obeying a person in authority. A series of coup attempts and mutinies within the armed forces destabilized the regime. Synonyms: rebellion, revolt, uprising, insurrection More Synonyms of mutiny. 2. intransitive verb
 
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BamaMoon said:
So there was no mutiny?

Y'all can call it by another name but almost everybody agrees the OL didn't try and (what are the odds???) JM was being disciplined at the same time!!!

I'm kinda tired of seeing something with my eyes and people telling me, "Oh, no that's not what you saw."
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I'm kinda tired of people saying something is the truth without anything beyond anecdotal proof.

This started months ago with many of the same people saying that Saban as much as admitted that there was a mutiny and when they were pressed for specifics there was little more than crickets to back it up.

So, it's more like you've convinced yourself that there was a mutiny regardless of whether there's actually any proof of it beyond what you saw on the field in one game.

Sorry, but that's way more speculation than it is confirmation that the mutiny (which again, Saban has never said happened that I can find) ever actually happened.

Maybe it did...maybe it didn't.

But in the absence of actual, substantive proof, it's really just conjecture.
 
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gtgilbert said:
Sometimes there is only so much a coach can do. Every player had limits in abilities. A good coach gets players as close to those as possible, but even a great coach can't get past them
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A coach can put someone else in. There's more than one way to fix a bad snap. And, if there's no one any better to put in . . . that's on coaches, too.
 
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davefrat said:
There's a reason why they're getting paid more in a year than I will make in my lifetime. One would assume they know more about what they're doing than people like us offering our armchair opinions.
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Yeah but you know what happens when you assume.
 
I think you can probably table the discussion on “what happened” for a quite a few years. It was years before we actually got facts about what led to Gene Stallings departure, what really went on during the Dubose era, Bill Curry and recruiting, etc..

What happened, if anything, will be far in the review mirror before anyone actually opens up about it.
 
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davefrat said:
I'm not saying that the mutiny didn't happen, but I wouldn't be saying it happened as if it were the gospel truth unless there was some actual proof.

And it's very hard for me to believe that the most hardazz college football coach of the last 25 years who was known for chewing everyone a new one for any number of reasons would have tolerated and caved to a player revolt.

I just can't see that happening with him.

I could see him benching everyone involved and limping to a losing season before allowing himself to be held hostage by a bunch of bratty behavior by a bunch of 18-22 year olds under his command.

Maybe it did happen...but I'll be inclined to believe it once some actual evidence is produced.
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If you listen to what he said the last few years, he wasn't the same coach he was about five years prior.
 
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CB4 said:
I think you can probably table the discussion on “what happened” for a quite a few years. It was years before we actually got facts about what led to Gene Stallings departure, what really went on during the Dubose era, Bill Curry and recruiting, etc..

What happened, if anything, will be far in the review mirror before anyone actually opens up about it.
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Well put.

And until we know what actually happened, it probably makes sense to couch any talk that there was a mutiny that Saban caved to with some caveats.
 
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HighlandOak said:
If you listen to what he said the last few years, he wasn't the same coach he was about five years prior.
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He definitely changed.

Did he change to the extent that he would cave to a locker room mutiny?

Maybe, maybe not.

But people saying with conviction that there was a mutiny and Saban bowed to the pressure is really stretching the "kinder gentler Saban" narrative.

I'm not aware that becoming kinder and gentler included allowing himself to be bullied by a group of men 50 years younger than he is.

We're now again back at the point that no one can provide any substantive proof of the mutiny that they so strongly assert happened and they're falling back on anecdotes and "well, anyone with half a brain and one working eye could see it was a mutiny."

I'll withhold an opinion on that until we have some actual confirmation that it happened.
 
Man some strong opinions here. With some people strongly claiming a mutiny in that USF game I decided to go back and watch to see if I missed something. Just finished first half.
No mutiny. Best job by o line no.

Look the biggest blame in that game has to go to Rees. Horrible plan and calls by him. USF brought 5-8 guys every play. Combined with telling their defense to crash every time they think it’s a run. They had more guys coming than the offense had blocking a lot. That makes o line look worse than they are. Burton had a bad drop for a first and a dropped 50 yard TD. That made it worse than it looked. That first Simpson sack in red zone usf bright 8 guys and I think 7 the play before in his throw away. Again bad on Rees with his calls.

The o line would not screw the RBs and take chance of them getting hurt and others not to mention hurt their draft stock like that. The defense still went all in too. If there was any kind of mutiny the team would have split and it would have been a bad year.
 
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Bamabuzzard said:
Dropping the ball before crossing the goal line was a stupid mistake unfortunately done by a lot of very good players over the years trying to be cute. So it happens. But there's no way you or I have seen enough body of work from him to judge what he can or cannot do with extended reps. If Jalen doesn't clean up the things that plagued him last season, we'll see Simpson play this season to see what he can do.
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It's mostly the sacks. He says that won't happen this season. Not like last year. DeBoer is a great quarterback coach. And I think he, along with Jordan Palmer, have helped Jalen with that. Sacks will happen, but I think they're kept at a norm. For one thing, the OL should perform better than last year. That helps a lot. I think we see a new and improved Jalen Milroe. I think he thrives in DeBoer's offense.
 
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