I think it was designed to highlight how the Repubs, under Trump’s direction, are being impossible to negotiate with. They are simply not operating in good faith. Anything to point that out is useful, especially before elections.
Question: Border crisis looming, what should be done?
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As far as I can tell, no one is. This was mostly about war-funding, anyway. Many Americans are sore about the amount of aid we are sending off and this will be an issue in November. To state the obvious, the border issue will still be an issue as well. I would love to see this bill result in a lot of establishment politicians (on both sides of the aisle) getting whacked in November.
Yeah, democrats attempted to negotiate and were willing to give republicans much of what they wanted on the border in order to get the rest passed - and they are still willing to vote for it if it has the slightest chance of passing - but it's democrats who are equally operating in bad faith.
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Right.
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not a huge fan of Cato but nice to see something on the right bust this particular insidious myth
The Senate couldn't find the votes for either package on Wednesday and will return on Thursday to try to pass aid for Ukraine and Israel.
The Senate couldn't find the votes for either package Wednesday and will return Thursday to try to pass aid for Ukraine and Israel.
www.nbcnews.com
Senate Republicans sink border bill as Schumer eyes a separate Israel and Ukraine aid vote
A vote on the funding package paired with immigration restrictions failed. Now, the Senate is eyeing a vote on aid to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan without the immigration provisions.
The Senate voted 49-50 to shoot down a bipartisan border security and foreign aid bill after Republicans voted en masse to filibuster the agreement they had demanded
Hmm....From the left wing CATO Institute:
Here are facts:
- Fentanyl smuggling is ultimately funded by U.S. consumers who pay for illicit opioids: nearly 99 percent of whom are U.S. citizens.
- In 2021, U.S. citizens were 86.3 percent of convicted fentanyl drug traffickersâ€â€ten times greater than convictions of illegal immigrants for the same offense.
- Over 90 percent of fentanyl seizures occur at legal crossing points or interior vehicle checkpoints, not on illegal migration routes, so U.S. citizens (who are subject to less scrutiny) when crossing legally are the best smugglers.
- The location of smuggling makes sense because hard drugs at ports of entry are about 97 percent less likely to be stopped than are people crossing illegally between them.
- Just 0.02 percent of the people arrested by Border Patrol for crossing illegally possessed any fentanyl whatsoever.
- The government exacerbated the problem by banning most legal cross border traffic in 2020 and 2021, accelerating a switch to fentanyl (the easiestâ€Âtoâ€Âconceal drug).
- During the travel restrictions, fentanyl seizures at ports quadrupled from fiscal year 2019 to 2021. Fentanyl went from a third of combined heroin and fentanyl seizures to over 90 percent.
- Annual deaths from fentanyl nearly doubled from 2019 to 2021 after the government banned most travel (and asylum).
In 2006, Dems endorsed a bipartisan immigration/border bill, which Republicans rejected. In 2014, it happened again. In 2018, it happened again. In 2024, it happened again. Maybe the GOP doesn't want to solve the problem?
Why the GOP has spent two decades killing immigration compromises
For the fourth time in 20 years, the GOP has rejected a compromise on immigration and border policies. It's worth understanding why this keeps happening.
www.msnbc.com
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Both sides are the same.
In 2006, Dems endorsed a bipartisan immigration/border bill, which Republicans rejected. In 2014, it happened again. In 2018, it happened again. In 2024, it happened again. Maybe the GOP doesn't want to solve the problem?
Why the GOP has spent two decades killing immigration compromises
For the fourth time in 20 years, the GOP has rejected a compromise on immigration and border policies. It's worth understanding why this keeps happening.
why won't democrats ever compromise to get something done
I don’t think you understood my post. I’m not saying that the drugs are being smuggled by asylum seekers. It sounds like it’s not. I’m asking who said it was. I haven’t heard that claim made widely. I’m sure some nut has said it but I haven’t seen that as a main stream argument. The drugs are being brought over by drug cartels and people already in the US. That makes sense to me. The drugs and illegal immigration are separate problems caused by the lack of a controlled border.
rep. steve king (r-ia) from back in 2013 or so
For everyone who’s a valedictorian, there’s another hundred out there who weigh a hundred and thirty poundsâ€â€and they’ve got calves the size of cantaloupes because they’re hauling seventy-five pounds of marijuana across the desert. Those people would be legalized with the same act.
For everyone who’s a valedictorian, there’s another hundred out there who weigh a hundred and thirty poundsâ€â€and they’ve got calves the size of cantaloupes because they’re hauling seventy-five pounds of marijuana across the desert. Those people would be legalized with the same act.
The guy hauling the weed or whatever drug isn’t an asylum seeker. The aren’t going up to a CBP officer and saying the magic words. They are two different groups. Sounds like king was saying if they did a mass amnesty then those drug mules would be eligible. That’s different than asylum seekers. You are conflating two separate things.
"illegals" and asylum seekers have been and are conflated constantly by republicans and others
- House Republicans' border oversight hearings have regularly invoked the smuggling of fentanyl across the U.S.-Mexico border alongside migration issues.
- And fentanyl repeatedly came up during the first GOP presidential debate, with at least one candidate calling for military involvement against Mexican cartels.
- "When these drug pushers are bringing fentanyl across the border, that's going to be the last thing they do. We're going to use force and we're going to leave them stone-cold dead," Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said.
Prominent Republicans have conflated the flow of illicit fentanyl from Mexico across the U.S. border with the country's migration crisis, which experts say is inaccurate.
- Although the majority of the U.S. fentanyl supply comes from Mexico, which makes it clearly an issue tied to the border, the vast majority enters the country through legal ports of entry.
- "If illegal immigration disappeared tomorrow, the fentanyl supply would be unaffected," Humphreys said.
And Republicans' claims that Biden's "open border" policies have empowered cartels are "not at all correct. There has been no weakening of security at the U.S. border since the Biden administration came in," said Vanda Felbab-Brown, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.
- "The opposite, the Biden administration has authorized money to significantly increase inspections of personal and cargo vehicles at that border, the principal mechanism by which drugs are smuggled across the U.S.-Mexico land border," she added.
Feds arrest man they say intended to act as militia "sniper" at southern border and attack federal agents
The FBI says Paul Faye told an undercover agent the U.S. is "being invaded" by migrants and he planned commit acts of violence against federal agents at the border.
www.cbsnews.com
A Tennessee militia member who told an undercover federal agent that the U.S. is "being invaded" by migrants was planning to travel to the southern border with a stockpile of weapons and commit acts of violence against federal border agents, according to a criminal complaint.
The complaint said Faye attracted the attention of federal investigators when they noticed he had "extensive contact" with Bryan C. Perry, a Tennessee militia member who authorities said was planning a violent conflict with Border Patrol agents before his arrest in 2022.
Perry, of Clarksville, Tennessee, has been charged with conspiring to kill federal agents. Federal investigators said Perry tried to recruit members to his militia to travel to the border to shoot migrants and federal agents. Perry allegedly fired at FBI agents who traveled to Missouri to arrest him in October 2022.
Faye had intended to travel to the border with Perry before Perry's arrest, according to the complaint, which did not identify by name the militia or militias Faye is accused of being associated with.
Faye had a stockpile of weapons at his Tennessee home and told a person working undercover for the FBI that he had a substance known as Tannerite, which can be used to make land mines, according to the complaint. Faye told the undercover agent during an initial meeting in March 2023 that he believed the U.S. government "was training to take on its citizens" and purposely allowing migrants to cross the border "to help the government," the complaint said.
In a May 2023 phone call, Faye told the agent that "the patriots are going to rise up because we are being invaded," alluding to migrants crossing the southern border. Faye also said he planned to take explosives to the border and serve as a sniper with a militia group traveling there, the complaint said.
I believe the border is more secure like I believe the moon is made of cheese. If they are spending all this money and resources searching for drugs they are doing a dang poor job of it.
Once again the two things aren’t the same, but our border policies and procedures have made both issues worse. That’s all I have to say about it. It’s the correct outlook. Most of the stuff you have posted doesn’t have anything to do with the initial article you posted. You are just going in circles. Peace out.
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