Question: Border crisis looming, what should be done?

[Chukker Veteran]

Agreed, but Poliifact is simply judging his statement.

Facts are still facts, regardless as to who states them.

Buried at the end of the politifact article you linked, the last two paragraphs read:

But he misfires in suggesting a limited budget impact from such a hypothetical tax. In the year he chose, the federal deficit would have been wiped out. So Ryan is close to the mark on his math but the details work against his overall point.

We rate his claim Half True.

 

[NationalTitles18]

The vote was 214-216

Deciding Democrat to sink Mayorkas vote was wheeled on to House floor at the last minute

The House failed to impeach Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, a stunning defeat and embarrassment for Republican leadership. Follow here for the latest live news updates.

www.cnn.com

Deciding Democrat to sink Mayorkas vote was wheeled on to House floor at the last minute
From CNN's Annie Grayer, Melanie Zanona, Haley Talbot, and Manu Raju

The surprise maneuver by House Democrats that sunk the Alejandro Mayorkas impeachment vote came at the last minute.
Democratic Rep. Al Green of Texas, who has been absent recovering from surgery, was expected to miss the vote, which would have given House Republicans the margins they needed to impeach the Homeland Security secretary.
But, sources said, Green was wheeled onto the House floor at the last minute with no shoes, to vote against impeaching Mayorkas and deliver a stunning defeat to Republicans.
Leading up to the vote, Republicans believed that Green’s absence would give them the cushion they needed if a few GOP lawmakers defected and felt confident they would be able to squeak the vote through up until the last minute.
Up until Green’s vote changed the margins and tipped the vote over the edge against Republicans, the plan to bring him back was in flux, a source familiar with the plans told CNN.
Even Republicans acknowledged that Democrats' decision to wait to reveal Green’s presence was well-played.
“I like a good game. They played a good game. I don’t like that we lost” GOP Rep. Andy Biggs of Arizona told CNN.
Green’s return may have caught Republicans by surprise – but Democratic leaders said they were ready for it.
"It was not a surprise," House Minority Whip Katherine Clark told CNN of Green's return.
Democratic Rep. Bennie Thompson of Mississippi said Green "had been out, but he saw the importance of coming and he did.”
Green was not the only lawmaker rushing back to the Capitol for the crucial vote.
Rep. Hal Rogers, a Kentucky Republican who has been recovering from a car accident, appeared on the House floor in a large neck brace, and GOP Rep. Nick Langworthy of New York returned just in time to vote after leaving the Capitol for an emergency.
“It was all hands on deck,” Thompson reflected.

 

[NationalTitles18]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1754660764340637998

Ingraham: The border patrol union has said, come out and said the bill is better than the status quo.

Johnson: I think it does have something to do with the pay structure that's in the bill.

Ingraham: *laughs*

 

[NationalTitles18]

Trump SINKS himself with stunning admission

#shorts

youtube.com

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Senate to vote on Plan B: Ukraine funding without border security

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) plans to strip the bipartisan border security deal from the emergency defense spending bill and bring a package funding the war in Ukraine, Israel, the…

thehill.com

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) plans to strip the bipartisan border security deal from the emergency defense spending bill, and bring a package funding the war in Ukraine, Israel, the Indo-Pacific region and humanitarian assistance to Ukraine and Gaza to the Senate floor Wednesday.

Senators expect the legislation to pass without the border security reforms that were unveiled Sunday and resoundingly rejected by most Senate Republicans.

Schumer still plans to hold a procedural vote on proceeding to the Ukraine and Israel funding package that includes border security reforms. That way, he can give vulnerable Democratic colleagues a chance to vote for it and argue on the campaign trail that they tried to address the crisis at the border.

But Republicans are expected to block that package — and then, Schumer said he will move to Plan B.

“Schumer has told Senate Dems he is planning to put the negotiated supplemental on the floor without the border security piece after the expected failed cloture vote Wednesday,” a Senate Democratic aide said.

So it was designed to fail, but give vulnerable Dems an opportunity to say "Hey, at least we tried." Christ, I hate these people, but credit where credit's due: this was pretty crafty.

 

[Chukker Veteran]

So it was designed to fail, but give vulnerable Dems an opportunity to say "Hey, at least we tried." Christ, I hate these people, but credit where credit's due: this was pretty crafty.

I think it was designed to highlight how the Repubs, under Trump’s direction, are being impossible to negotiate with. They are simply not operating in good faith. Anything to point that out is useful, especially before elections.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

I think it was designed to highlight how the Repubs, under Trump’s direction, are being impossible to negotiate with. They are simply not operating in good faith. Anything to point that out is useful, especially before elections.

As far as I can tell, no one is. This was mostly about war-funding, anyway. Many Americans are sore about the amount of aid we are sending off and this will be an issue in November. To state the obvious, the border issue will still be an issue as well. I would love to see this bill result in a lot of establishment politicians (on both sides of the aisle) getting whacked in November.

 

[NationalTitles18]

Yeah, democrats attempted to negotiate and were willing to give republicans much of what they wanted on the border in order to get the rest passed - and they are still willing to vote for it if it has the slightest chance of passing - but it's democrats who are equally operating in bad faith.

Yeah.

Right.

 

[NationalTitles18]

No wonder we get the government we get.

 

[Jon]

not a huge fan of Cato but nice to see something on the right bust this particular insidious myth

https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers

 

[NationalTitles18]

The Senate couldn't find the votes for either package on Wednesday and will return on Thursday to try to pass aid for Ukraine and Israel.

The Senate couldn't find the votes for either package Wednesday and will return Thursday to try to pass aid for Ukraine and Israel.

www.nbcnews.com

Senate Republicans sink border bill as Schumer eyes a separate Israel and Ukraine aid vote
A vote on the funding package paired with immigration restrictions failed. Now, the Senate is eyeing a vote on aid to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan without the immigration provisions.

The Senate voted 49-50 to shoot down a bipartisan border security and foreign aid bill after Republicans voted en masse to filibuster the agreement they had demanded

 

[AWRTR]

not a huge fan of Cato but nice to see something on the right bust this particular insidious myth

https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers

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I've never heard anyone argue asylum seekers were smuggling the drugs. That is a separate issue, but it's all caused by the fact we don't have actual border security.

 

[NationalTitles18]

I've never heard anyone argue asylum seekers were smuggling the drugs. That is a separate issue, but it's all caused by the fact we don't have actual border security.

Hmm....From the left wing CATO Institute:

https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers

Here are facts:

• Fentanyl smuggling is ultimately funded by U.S. consumers who pay for illicit opioids: nearly 99 percent of whom are U.S. citizens.
• In 2021, U.S. citizens were 86.3 percent of convicted fentanyl drug traffickers—ten times greater than convictions of illegal immigrants for the same offense.
• Over 90 percent of fentanyl seizures occur at legal crossing points or interior vehicle checkpoints, not on illegal migration routes, so U.S. citizens (who are subject to less scrutiny) when crossing legally are the best smugglers.
• The location of smuggling makes sense because hard drugs at ports of entry are about 97 percent less likely to be stopped than are people crossing illegally between them.
• Just 0.02 percent of the people arrested by Border Patrol for crossing illegally possessed any fentanyl whatsoever.
• The government exacerbated the problem by banning most legal cross border traffic in 2020 and 2021, accelerating a switch to fentanyl (the easiest‐to‐conceal drug).
• During the travel restrictions, fentanyl seizures at ports quadrupled from fiscal year 2019 to 2021. Fentanyl went from a third of combined heroin and fentanyl seizures to over 90 percent.
• Annual deaths from fentanyl nearly doubled from 2019 to 2021 after the government banned most travel (and asylum).

 

[92tide]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1755287729980502189

In 2006, Dems endorsed a bipartisan immigration/border bill, which Republicans rejected. In 2014, it happened again. In 2018, it happened again. In 2024, it happened again. Maybe the GOP doesn't want to solve the problem?

Why the GOP has spent two decades killing immigration compromises

For the fourth time in 20 years, the GOP has rejected a compromise on immigration and border policies. It's worth understanding why this keeps happening.

www.msnbc.com

 

[bama579]

tRump said he would build a wall and have Mexico pay for it.

Build the wall. Use his money.

 

[Go Bama]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1755287729980502189

In 2006, Dems endorsed a bipartisan immigration/border bill, which Republicans rejected. In 2014, it happened again. In 2018, it happened again. In 2024, it happened again. Maybe the GOP doesn't want to solve the problem?

Why the GOP has spent two decades killing immigration compromises

For the fourth time in 20 years, the GOP has rejected a compromise on immigration and border policies. It's worth understanding why this keeps happening.

www.msnbc.com

Both sides are the same.

 

[92tide]

Both sides are the same.

why won't democrats ever compromise to get something done

 

[AWRTR]

Hmm....From the left wing CATO Institute:

https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers

Here are facts:

• Fentanyl smuggling is ultimately funded by U.S. consumers who pay for illicit opioids: nearly 99 percent of whom are U.S. citizens.
• In 2021, U.S. citizens were 86.3 percent of convicted fentanyl drug traffickers—ten times greater than convictions of illegal immigrants for the same offense.
• Over 90 percent of fentanyl seizures occur at legal crossing points or interior vehicle checkpoints, not on illegal migration routes, so U.S. citizens (who are subject to less scrutiny) when crossing legally are the best smugglers.
• The location of smuggling makes sense because hard drugs at ports of entry are about 97 percent less likely to be stopped than are people crossing illegally between them.
• Just 0.02 percent of the people arrested by Border Patrol for crossing illegally possessed any fentanyl whatsoever.
• The government exacerbated the problem by banning most legal cross border traffic in 2020 and 2021, accelerating a switch to fentanyl (the easiest‐to‐conceal drug).
• During the travel restrictions, fentanyl seizures at ports quadrupled from fiscal year 2019 to 2021. Fentanyl went from a third of combined heroin and fentanyl seizures to over 90 percent.
• Annual deaths from fentanyl nearly doubled from 2019 to 2021 after the government banned most travel (and asylum).

I don’t think you understood my post. I’m not saying that the drugs are being smuggled by asylum seekers. It sounds like it’s not. I’m asking who said it was. I haven’t heard that claim made widely. I’m sure some nut has said it but I haven’t seen that as a main stream argument. The drugs are being brought over by drug cartels and people already in the US. That makes sense to me. The drugs and illegal immigration are separate problems caused by the lack of a controlled border.

 

[92tide]

rep. steve king (r-ia) from back in 2013 or so

For everyone who’s a valedictorian, there’s another hundred out there who weigh a hundred and thirty pounds—and they’ve got calves the size of cantaloupes because they’re hauling seventy-five pounds of marijuana across the desert. Those people would be legalized with the same act.

 

[AWRTR]

rep. steve king (r-ia) from back in 2013 or so

For everyone who’s a valedictorian, there’s another hundred out there who weigh a hundred and thirty pounds—and they’ve got calves the size of cantaloupes because they’re hauling seventy-five pounds of marijuana across the desert. Those people would be legalized with the same act.

The guy hauling the weed or whatever drug isn’t an asylum seeker. The aren’t going up to a CBP officer and saying the magic words. They are two different groups. Sounds like king was saying if they did a mass amnesty then those drug mules would be eligible. That’s different than asylum seekers. You are conflating two separate things.