Charlie Kirk Part III

[dtgreg]

Yep. And here’s more on that from CNN:

Nexstar, which operates about two dozen ABC affiliates, issued a press release saying it “strongly objects” to Kimmel’s remarks and saying its stations would “replace the show with other programming in its ABC-affiliated markets.”

Notably, Nexstar is seeking Trump administration approval to acquire another big US station group, Tegna. The deal requires the FCC to loosen the government’s limits on broadcast station ownership.
Later in the evening, another big station group, Sinclair, said it had also told ABC that it was preempting Kimmel’s show on its ABC-affiliated stations before the network announced its nationwide decision.

Sinclair, too, has business pending before the Trump administration, and it made a bid for Tegna a day before Nexstar stepped in with its bid. The company announced Wednesday night that it will air a one-hour special tribute to Kirk on Friday night in Kimmel’s usual time slot.

Following ABC’s action to indefinitely pull Kimmel’s show off the air, Sinclair issued a statement saying the late-night host’s suspension “is not enough” and called on the network, the FCC and Kimmel to go further.

“Sinclair will not lift the suspension of Jimmy Kimmel Live! on our stations until formal discussions are held with ABC regarding the network’s commitment to professionalism and accountability,” the company said in its statement. “Regardless of ABC’s plans for the future of the program, Sinclair intends not to return Jimmy Kimmel Live! to our air until we are confident that appropriate steps have been taken to uphold the standards expected of a national broadcast platform.”

Sinclair said it demanded Kimmel directly apologize to the Kirk family and make a “meaningful” donation to Kirk’s family and his organization, Turning Point USA.




It’s become a matter of who can kiss up to Trump the most. Bow to his wishes and he might let you do what you want. In the meantime, the US Constitution is mere toilet paper for Republicans these days. To them, the only people who deserve rights are those who believe as the GOP and its morally bereft leader dictate. Let’s be clear: Trump and the Republican Party oppose freedom and liberty for anyone not part of their cult and will stop at nothing to punish those people it deems unsuitable. Republicans are AMINOs: Americans In Name Only.

What a touching and classy tribute to Mr. Kirk's memory. This is a shakedown that would make Jesse Jackson blush.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

What's with the blue font? This is a valid take.

It would be if Norm McDonald was an American.......otherwise yes.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

Trump has been threaening broadcast TV for a while now.

Broadcast TV Is Dying. Trump Is Threatening It Anyway | WIRED

Trump now targets the remaining late night shows and wants them canceled.

Trump Threatens More Late Night Hosts After Kimmel Gets Cancelled - MeidasTouch News

 

[AlexanderFan]

I'm not a fan of the government trying to "silence" anyone. People should be allowed to say what they want without fear from their government. They should not, however, be immune from other repercussions.

I think they should just let Kimmel's show die the slow death it is hurtling towards. I don't what happened to that guy. He and Adam Corolla were hilarious on "The Man Show". Why he felt the need to become the savior of the world is beyond me.

Exactly. People sign petitions, boycott, whatever.

I don’t understand why both sides cheer this on. I don’t care who started the overreach, but with each administration and party control swap it has gotten worse.

Now they’re just doing it publicly and bragging about it.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Exactly. People sign petitions, boycott, whatever.

I don’t understand why both sides cheer this on. I don’t care who started the overreach, but with each administration and party control swap it has gotten worse.

Now they’re just doing it publicly and bragging about it.

Given how things usually work, don't be surprised if Kimmel comes out of this thing much richer in the long run. There's rarely any such thing as bad publicity, even with a suspension.

People forget that Pete Rose was able to charge a whole lot more money for his essentially worthless autograph (so he could gamble and pay off his bookies and who-ers) ONLY because he was banished from the Hall of Fame. If he'd remained manager of the Reds and gotten fired and not been able to cast himself as an unfair victim, he'd have made less than 1/4 of what he made selling his signature the last 35 years of his life.

 

[dtgreg]

Good point. I feel similarly about the bakery being forced to bake a cake for a gay couple and similar incidents. Unless it is some place like a hospital, delivering a service or selling a good should be a mutually approved transaction. While I think it is a foolish business plan not to bake a cake for a gay customer (and forgoing revenue and likely offending a lot of other non-gay customers), that should be the bakery owner's* right. And one should not have to have a religious reason for making that decision. It's freedom of choice. And freedom to reap the consequences - from the LGBT community and all potential customers as a whole - from the applied business model.

*I would caution an employee of said business against making such a unilateral decision. Stay in your lane. You represent the business owner, and if you deny a potential customer, you're depriving your boss of revenue. If you do something to damage the business without permission, you'll be out of a job.

THe United States vs. Ollie's BBQ. Not an exact match but if you offer services to the public, you cannot discriminate. BTW, just re-watched Giant on TCM.

 

[Bodhisattva]

THe United States vs. Ollie's BBQ. Not an exact match but if you offer services to the public, you cannot discriminate. BTW, just re-watched Giant on TCM.

I'm aware of the legal interpretation, I just think it is the typical federal overreach. It seems to me way outside the DC's lane. This is not remotely what the original intent of the commerce clause was.

 

[Its On A Slab]

You’re not helping the case.

The whole point of being conservative is less government involvement. Pointing at similar behavior from libs is not justification.

The current Republican party is not a conservative party anymore.

William Buckley would roll over in his grave.

 

[JDCrimson]

You think its government overreach to prohibit offering services to a particular race, gender, ethnicity?

What if you are traveling and your car breaks down but the closest service station doesnt want serve your kind?

I'm aware of the legal interpretation, I just think it is the typical federal overreach. It seems to me way outside the DC's lane. This is not remotely what the original intent of the commerce clause was.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

It seems the regulatory agency (government) crossed the line in this instance and had influence in Kimmel's show getting canned. That's what we don't want. Now, if it was strictly a decision made by the broadcasting company, then fine. We shouldn't have a problem with that, because it is the employer canning the guy, not the government. I don't care if the guy who got canned is republican, democrat, conservative, liberal, or independent. This seems like government overreach. Granted, this isn't the first time, but it not being the first doesn't excuse it.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

I'm aware of the legal interpretation, I just think it is the typical federal overreach. It seems to me way outside the DC's lane. This is not remotely what the original intent of the commerce clause was.

You're right. Interstate Commerce has been so broadly defined that it's literally impossible not to be involved in it. IOW, any business you do of whatever nature is subject to federal oversight.

In the McClung case, all his suppliers were local. But a lot of them got their stuff from out of state.

So rather than say that the suppliers were involved in interstate commerce, but McClung wasn't, SCOTUS held that McClung was conducting interstate commerce by proxy.

(1) Interstate commerce, and (2) the reservation of authority to the states unless specifically assigned to the federal government, have been twisted to the point that I don't think the authors of the Constitution would recognize either.

I don't like it. But I tilt at enough windmills as it is.

 

[Huckleberry]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1968380634415439987

Wesley Hunt asks Kash Patel about Matthew Thomas Crooks, the shooter responsible for the assassination attempt on President Trump's life: "I didn't get an answer from Chris Wray... Would you please respond to these questions?"

Patel: "As soon as the trial's over."

(Crooks was killed by a Secret Service sniper)



This is who Trump has running the FBI.

 

[Bodhisattva]

You think its government overreach to prohibit offering services to a particular race, gender, ethnicity?

What if you are traveling and your car breaks down but the closest service station doesnt want serve your kind?

It no longer seems much of an issue for a business owner to forgo additional revenue from a potential customer. Such a business will lose out to more intelligent competition. There's more than one bakery. There's more than one mechanic. Something like discriminating when it comes to emergency medical care, is certainly a problem, but considering doing so would be an ethics violation, medical providers should be punished for such discrimination.

 

[Bodhisattva]

You're right. Interstate Commerce has been so broadly defined that it's literally impossible not to be involved in it. IOW, any business you do of whatever nature is subject to federal oversight.

In the McClung case, all his suppliers were local. But a lot of them got their stuff from out of state.

So rather than say that the suppliers were involved in interstate commerce, but McClung wasn't, SCOTUS held that McClung was conducting interstate commerce by proxy.

(1) Interstate commerce, and (2) the reservation of authority to the states unless specifically assigned to the federal government, have been twisted to the point that I don't think the authors of the Constitution would recognize either.

I don't like it. But I tilt at enough windmills as it is.

I understand the desire of the Court. I certainly don't like discrimination. I've been on the receiving end of it, and far more so my wife has. But, someone being a jerk and a bigot/racist doesn't rise to a constitutional crisis.

My point is that if you want to make such discrimination illegal, add it to the Constitution. Re-interpreting it in such a manner just makes it subject to the whims of whatever political thought rules the day. The Constitution is supposed to lead the actions of politicians, not the other way around.

 

[dtgreg]

I'm aware of the legal interpretation, I just think it is the typical federal overreach. It seems to me way outside the DC's lane. This is not remotely what the original intent of the commerce clause was.

Well, at least soon one won't have to dine with the likes of Clarence Thomas? There are a LOT of bandaids on this Constitution of ours.

 

[cdub55]

Given how things usually work, don't be surprised if Kimmel comes out of this thing much richer in the long run. There's rarely any such thing as bad publicity, even with a suspension.

People forget that Pete Rose was able to charge a whole lot more money for his essentially worthless autograph (so he could gamble and pay off his bookies and who-ers) ONLY because he was banished from the Hall of Fame. If he'd remained manager of the Reds and gotten fired and not been able to cast himself as an unfair victim, he'd have made less than 1/4 of what he made selling his signature the last 35 years of his life.

I agree with your point but in regards to Rose, he would have been fine either way. Aside from him being one of the baseball all-time greats, he was a character and beloved by the millions. Rose would have been calling games or something within broadcasting as he was perfect for that line of work after he was done playing/managing.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Exactly. People sign petitions, boycott, whatever.

I don’t understand why both sides cheer this on. I don’t care who started the overreach, but with each administration and party control swap it has gotten worse.

Now they’re just doing it publicly and bragging about it.

It's one reason why I tell people to be careful what they cheer for - when the shoe is on the other foot, a lot of stuff is less 'fun'. Cancel culture was funny, even cheered on by some, until the right started doing it.

But our politicians have been really pushing the boundaries (imo) for the last couple of decades.

Sometimes it feels like this country is doomed.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

The current Republican party is not a conservative party anymore.

William Buckley would roll over in his grave.

This is not Goldwater, not even Reagan.

There's a reason George Will left the Republican Party a decade ago.

 

[Bamaro]

Yep. These shows are not popular amongst the largest demographics (millennials and Gen Z). Trump had nothing to do with Colbert's show being canceled, although he tried to take a victory lap for it. It was a terrible product. That was in the works for a while. I didn't watch it, nor do I watch Kimmel. And, it has nothing to do with their political views.

Whether these shows are popular or not is NOT the issue and only distracts from the real issue of government pressure to control what they say. Some of the loudest voices here celebrating the cancel culture results on Colbert and Kimmel claim to not even watch them. All they ultimately care about is getting their way and shutting up those who oppose.
This massive overreach has only taken 8 months. Beware of the future!

 

[92tide]

Whether these shows are popular or not is NOT the issue and only distracts from the real issue of government pressure to control what they say. Some of the loudest voices here celebrating the cancel culture results on Colbert and Kimmel claim to not even watch them. All they ultimately care about is getting their way and shutting up those who oppose.
This massive overreach has only taken 8 months. Beware of the future!

it’s going to get much worse