Everything Is Going to Be Fine

[DzynKingRTR]

This season for me was like being forced to eat potted meat on saltines.

I loved that as a kid. Not so much as an adult

 

[BamaInBham]

Sigh. It’s like Ty slept with someone’s sister. I just don’t get it. We have seen him make throws in real games. We have seen him evade pressure…IN REAL GAMES.

We’ve also seen him freeze up in the face of a rush, seen him bail out of the pocket early when he should have stepped up in the pocket, and seen him throw the ball in the dirt in front of open receivers, throw a softball deep into double coverage, etc. These are correctable but indicate to many that he is not a slam dunk candidate. That comports with the fact that two coaching staffs seem to have been reluctant to turn to him. They even started Buchner over him.

All many are saying is that a truly open competition is hopefully in order. In reality, as we all know, what the fans think is meaningless and should be. If CKD makes Simpson the presumptive starter, that’s how it will be and should be. If not, fine too.

No one is owed anything except for promises made by this staff.

 

[81usaf92]

We’ve also seen him freeze up in the face of a rush, seen him bail out of the pocket early when he should have stepped up in the pocket, and seen him throw the ball in the dirt in front of open receivers, throw a softball deep into double coverage, etc. These are correctable but indicate to many that he is not a slam dunk candidate. That comports with the fact that two coaching staffs seem to have been reluctant to turn to him. They even started Buchner over him.

All many are saying is that a truly open competition is hopefully in order. In reality, as we all know, what the fans think is meaningless and should be. If CKD makes Simpson the presumptive starter, that’s how it will be and should be. If not, fine too.

No one is owed anything except for promises made by this staff.

In 2023 Buchner was far an away the better quarterback in the fall scrimmage Lonergan was the 2nd best followed by Ty.

I’ve seen Ty in 2 closed scrimmages and while i think he is a far better “quarterback” than Milroe… I’m not so sure he is this messiah most of his supporters make him out to be.

 

[TideEngineer08]

In 2023 Buchner was far an away the better quarterback in the fall scrimmage Lonergan was the 2nd best followed by Ty.

I’ve seen Ty in 2 closed scrimmages and while i think he is a far better “quarterback” than Milroe… I’m not so sure he is this messiah most of his supporters make him out to be.

I have oft wondered if the reason Ty has not yet transferred elsewhere is related to the reason he's not won the starting job before.

 

[gtgilbert]

I have oft wondered if the reason Ty has not yet transferred elsewhere is related to the reason he's not won the starting job before.

what was implied there, but not said, was that NILroe was no better than 4th best (and I would bet it was actually 5th behind Eli before Eli left).

We know why now, but think about it this way. The odds are so drastically stacked in favor that you have to play so much better to overcome that. It's got to a huge amount of pressure to try to be THAT good.

I'm not going to search for it, but I recall Saban saying something about the QB comp like "Go be so good that I have no choice but to play you"...

In the last 2 seasons, we didn't need someone "so good" Saban had no choice. We didn't need Tua, or Bryce, or Mac. We needed basic competence at the position to make sure we had a viable play called, audible if we need to make a change or go hot, call the protections, recognize a blitz might be coming and distribute the ball.

 

[colbysullivan]

In 2023 Buchner was far an away the better quarterback in the fall scrimmage Lonergan was the 2nd best followed by Ty.

I’ve seen Ty in 2 closed scrimmages and while i think he is a far better “quarterback” than Milroe… I’m not so sure he is this messiah most of his supporters make him out to be.

Who here has said THAT? All we need is Jake Coker type production at the QB position. That's all we are really expecting from Ty.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

Who here has said THAT? All we need is Jake Coker type production at the QB position. That's all we are really expecting from Ty.

I personally think he could be as good as AJ but with Bryce Mobility.

Now that could start out as 2011 AJ because he needs experience but he could end up at the 2012-13 AJ level.

He’s a nightmare to tackle as well. Very very shifty and dangerous with his legs.

But what no one can predict is if he can handle the pressure of the big moment in a game or the big mistake like a bad INT.

We can’t know that at all until he gets a shot.

I don’t think that’s messiah stuff.

He’s probably got an AJ ceiling and a Coker floor though.

 

[BamaInBham]

I don't like how he showed up and presented himself as the new OC and left like a thief in the night.

But

I understand not wanting to live in the South and especially if you weren't born here.

It doesn't even have to do with People or Places... it could be over something like the weather.

The heat and humidity here in the spring and summer is absolutely brutal and it's difficult to deal with even if you lived here your whole life.

I can 100% understand someone from the NW or MW or NE not liking it and not being able to deal with it.

IIRC, the issue was primarily his wife who is from Detroit, has a PhD, and is black. It may have been, not sure, that she refused to move to Alabama. They have a young ~6 y/o daughter. His wife may have had concerns.

I don’t know if that was an issue when Saban considered him.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

IIRC, the issue was primarily his wife who is from Detroit, has a PhD, and is black. It may have been, not sure, that she refused to move to Alabama. They have a young ~6 y/o daughter. His wife may have had concerns.

I don’t know if that was an issue when Saban considered him.

Well I have no idea about all that but *if* any of that type of stuff was/is a concern I’m not sure it would change after 12 months.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

In 2023 Buchner was far an away the better quarterback in the fall scrimmage Lonergan was the 2nd best followed by Ty.

I’ve seen Ty in 2 closed scrimmages and while i think he is a far better “quarterback” than Milroe… I’m not so sure he is this messiah most of his supporters make him out to be.

Ty isn't guaranteed the starting job. I agree he's a better QB than Milroe but still has issues of his own that he'll need to work on in the pff season. I dont expect the staff to bring in a QB but if they do it will say a lot about what the staff thinks of the returning QB's.

 

[81usaf92]

Ty isn't guaranteed the starting job. I agree he's a better QB than Milroe but still has issues of his own that he'll need to work on in the pff season. I dont expect the staff to bring in a QB but if they do it will say a lot about what the staff thinks of the returning QB's.

I think it’s Ty’s to lose next year but I’m not entirely sure that the staff is over the moon about him. I think the idea might be give Mack and Russell another year before deciding on the future.

 

[22Musso22]

 

[editder]

You nailed it, Gilbert!

The QB is exactly why we only had 5-10% of the playbook available.

Since so many people (not aimed at you) keep saying that Simpson should have come in, let me remind them that the rest of the offensive players (OL, RB & WRs) were only practicing with the limited playbook as well. So its not like putting in Simpson would have made the rest (or any more) of the playbook available.

I agree with this to an extent and have said the same thing before, but there are at least a couple of pass plays in the playbook. I only know this because Milroe keeps getting intercepted and strip sacked.

Simpson would at least be able to hit the receivers that are running wide open, forcing defenses out of the box and opening up the running game. He wouldn’t have had access to the full offense, but I believe he could have better executed the few plays he did have access to.

 

[Evil Crimson Dragon]

IIRC, the issue was primarily his wife who is from Detroit, has a PhD, and is black. It may have been, not sure, that she refused to move to Alabama. They have a young ~6 y/o daughter. His wife may have had concerns.

I don’t know if that was an issue when Saban considered him.

In this day and age, that's kinda silly

 

[AlexanderFan]

In this day and age, that's kinda silly

It’s the reason I don’t go out West, don’t want to catch the gay.

 

[editder]

Who here has said THAT? All we need is Jake Coker type production at the QB position. That's all we are really expecting from Ty.

This right here.

There’s a good deal of headroom between Milroe and the Messiah that would have been a welcome change.

 

[rolltide_21]

This right here.

There’s a good deal of headroom between Milroe and the Messiah that would have been a welcome change.

I can easily see Ty being as good as AJM.

 

[TideFan in AU]

After reflection on the season, I am still optimistic about CKD. Here are a few observations:

The offensive performances against UGA and LSU stand out as what is possible when CKD's system is implemented correctly, even with Milroe's limitations. The extra time to prepare and more reps seemed to look totally different than week to week in-season games. If you go back and watch some breakdowns of those games, there were some very innovative play designs that UGA nor LSU had any answers for. If what most of us the believes is Jalen's biggest limitation, I don't think he could handle having but a much smaller portion of playoff put on him week to week. That coupled with the fact that Jalen seemed to lose his confidence/composure when bad things happened seemed to even further limit what the coaches could call. Jalen was much better about that last year. He could do the most bonehead thing on one drive and come back and rip an amazing throw or run on the very next series. He seemed to get in his head and kinda shut down when bad things happened this year in the tough games. I've wondered if that's maybe why CKD didn't bench him in games this year.

Another thing that was impressive is that the players CKD brought in have performed well. Germie, Brailsford, and Cuevas were 3 of the better players on the team this year. I remember the gnashing of teeth and hand-wringing from a lot of people because CKD was bringing players from Washington to the SEC. Sabb was playing well and VanDeMark and Jones played well for the reps they got. Of the 9 portal players that CKD brought in (I'm not counting LT Overton and Bertrand who came in before CNS left), only King and Austin Mack didn't get significant playing time. It seems like CKD and his staff is good evaluating talent that fits their scheme, and tbh that seemed to really trail off in later years of CNS' tenure. If I had to guess, the rate of staff turnover may have made it almost impossible to ever really have the perfect guys. Obviously its too early on to know for sure, but the early results makes me optimistic about the guys they are bringing in the year in the recruiting class and the portal. I saw a video of Matt Moscona clowning CKD in the summer about flipping a QB from lowly SMU. How is looking about now? Even some our fans were lamenting it and it was said at the time CKD had Russell at the top of his board over QBs like JuJu Lewis, George McEntire, and KJ Lacy. CKD's evaluation of him saw something special before he blew up this season and before the Elite 11 performance. I won't lie - that is impressive to me.

After year one, I feel like overall he did a good job at putting together a solid coaching staff. The defense improved through the year, and the recent news that Morrell took over LB coaching shows a willingness to adapt and change. On the offensive side, obviously there are more questions, but to be honest, I honestly have more questions about Kapilovic than Sheridan, although I'm not screaming for a change yet. Watching receivers running wide open in every game and watching teams load up the box to stop the run daring Milroe to beat them makes give pause to giving up on Sheridan. I went back and did little on research on Sheridan at Indiana, and his offense (even without CKD) was fantastic until Penix tore his ACL in 2020. In the first 5 games his offense averaged 34 points per game, they beat #8 Penn State, #23 Michigan, and lost in OT 42-35 to #3 Ohio State (the team we played for CFP). Penix went 27/51, 491 yards, 5 TDs, 1 INT in that game. Penix got hurt in the next game against Maryland and their point per game dropped to 20.3 points per game, but they still beat Maryland, #16 Wisconsin and lost the bowl game to Ole Miss 26-20 with Jack Tuttle at QB. In 2021, Penix only played in 5 games and got hurt again, and the rest of season was split between Jack Tuttle and Donaven McCulley. The offense that year was terrible, and Indiana went 2-10. Penix went 2-3 his four games that year and lost to #18 Iowa, #8 Cincinnati, and got hurt against #4 Penn State. He was fired after the 2021 season. I don't know specifics on other personnel in 2021 other than Penix. His 2020 offense was really good though when he had a good QB. It seems like based on that and this year with Milroe that CKD and Sheridan's offense will require a good QB to make it go, which is typical with the style offense they run. I found it interesting that CKD is kind of anomaly in that he isn't part of any well-known coaching tree. Like CNS was considered part of Don James' tree and of course Kirby, Sark, Kiffin are part of CNS' tree. CKD played under Bob Young at Sioux Falls, who was coach there from 1983-2004. It seems that a lot of the concepts in CKB's offense are his innovations, and hopefully that means continuity in the future after system is fully implemented, regardless of coordinators and position coaches.

 

[64 Grad]

After being at the bowl game where you can see the line of scrimmage better than on TV, it is hard to be optimistic for the near future. Nothing points to this team any better next year, except better quarterback play. It the quarterback play improves vastly it could be a decent year.