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With Guillon gone, that's even more reason for opposing teams to blitz and throw everything, up to and including, the kitchen sink at our O-line! Think JPW will get a chance to audible, and try to avoid some of that pressure? Hopefully, the coaches can try and keep defenses honest to avoid opposing teams teeing off on the only experienced QB we now have!
 
Six games into the season, he bails out on both his teammates and a coach who gave him a chance after he had washed out at Miami. So much for senior leadership. What an unfortunate waste of potential.

Guillon was a disaster in the games he started. Barnes will be a much better back-up. I hope Guillon walking out on the team has not caused too much disruption, particularly coming off of an ugly win against Duke.

At this point, I think the coaching staff would benefit greatly from a get-in-the-face motivator and from an overhaul of the strength and conditioning program.
 
I do not understand Marc's though process here. He has known for a while that he would be relagated to back-up. He knows we don't see the back-up play much. And he above all else knows how quickly you can be thrust into the limelight. Just bad timing. There are a couple months left in the season, he owes it to his team to finish out the season. He has stuck it out this long, why not continue with his senior year.
 
RyTide said:
At this point, I think the coaching staff would benefit greatly from a get-in-the-face motivator and from an overhaul of the strength and conditioning program.
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We have a brand new strength and conditioning coach this year. If we need motivation, it should probably come from a position coach, coordinator, or the head coach. If none are capable, I'm sure someone would love to coach for Alabama and provide some intense motivation.
 
RyTide said:
Six games into the season, he bails out on both his teammates and a coach who gave him a chance after he had washed out at Miami. So much for senior leadership. What an unfortunate waste of potential.

Guillon was a disaster in the games he started. Barnes will be a much better back-up. I hope Guillon walking out on the team has not caused too much disruption, particularly coming off of an ugly win against Duke.

At this point, I think the coaching staff would benefit greatly from a get-in-the-face motivator and from an overhaul of the strength and conditioning program.
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What's the problem with the S&C program? I understand that some of the returning O-linemen have been less than inspired and chose to only do the minimum during the off-season and we're paying for it now. That's not CRC's fault, maybe Coach Shula should have stressed to them how bad they were last season and emphasised that the minimum isn't good enough at ALABAMA.
 
I wish I knew more about the answer and less about the problem. I really thought CRC was the answer, with the charter he was given. However, right now, I don't think the S&C difficulties have been resolved.
 
TIDE-HSV said:
I wish I knew more about the answer and less about the problem. I really thought CRC was the answer, with the charter he was given. However, right now, I don't think the S&C difficulties have been resolved.
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The physical conditioning and dominating play of last year's team was largely the result of a new S & C program. From my seat in the stands during the Duke game, I watched several of our enormous O linemen beat on pass rushes and shoved into the backfield by much smaller and supposedly less talented defensive linemen, several O linemen who hit no one on a play (did not even make contact), and several whose hands remained on their hips as their chests heaved between plays.

It has been said that between huddles and game stoppages, the typical starter spends a total of about 18 minutes of actual playing time on the field. If our O linemen can't get motivated to devote their best effort for 18 minutes, we have a real problem with the S & C program, a lack of motivation, or both. Some players need a pat on the back. I think our O line needs a kick in the seat of the pants before our QB gets creamed and the rest of the season goes down the drain. But that is just my 2 cents from my cheap seat in the stands and in my recliner.
 
TexasTideFan said:
Your going to forget Robert Marve even exists when GM suits up to play for real next year. I got a feeling that we are going to have a QB controversy unlike anything Bama has ever seen when he goes head to head against JPW. Just wait, this kid is that good.
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Don't underestimate Marve, he seems to be the real deal. I don't think he'll come in and beat out McElroy for the backup role because Greg will have been in the system for a year, but Marve is a very talented QB. IMO, it will only make Greg and JPW that much better to have this level of competition. Something we definitely haven't had over the last couple of years.
 
RyTide said:
At this point, I think the coaching staff would benefit greatly from a get-in-the-face motivator and from an overhaul of the strength and conditioning program.
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I believe that is what Joe Kines is for, except being a comedian. I am sure he can light a fire under some butts, but if i played for him, sometimes i would have to laugh at some of his comments.

"Tuck your shirt in, atleast you'll look like a football player." - Joe Kines
 
uafootball92 said:
I believe that is what Joe Kines is for, except being a comedian. I am sure he can light a fire under some butts, but if i played for him, sometimes i would have to laugh at some of his comments.

"Tuck your shirt in, atleast you'll look like a football player." - Joe Kines
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Running hills and 100 yd yard sprints would probably cure that...
 
This thread has drifted far from Guillon. Over the summer, the reports were that the OL spent what time they had to in the weight room, and that was all. Earlier, the word had been put out that CRC was given an iron hand to run the S&C program. One major problem is that the NCAA has decreed that summer S&C is "voluntary." At that point, it comes down to the will of the position coach and the HC to enforce their displeasure. Most, not all, but most, players who don't feel that disapproval are not going to hang around the weight room. During the course of the season, it will become obvious which units have been serious about their S&C off-season work. Now is way, way too late...
 
RyTide said:
Guillon was a disaster in the games he started. Barnes will be a much better back-up.
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I think you're right, in the long run. In the short-term, though, this decision has the potential to be disastrous. Guillon was far ahead of Barnes after spring and fall camps, and nothing has changed since then. Guillon wasn't going to overtake Wilson, but had Wilson gone down in a close game against, say, UT or LSU, I think Guillon could have managed the team to victory anyway.

I don't think Barnes is ready yet.

If Wilson stays healthy, there's no issue here; Barnes will play all the snaps in the waning quarters of FIU and MSU if Alabama is up a bunch by that time. But God forbid Wilson were to get hurt badly enough to miss a bloc of games, then we have an issue. Johns' QB packages are extremely limited, Barnes isn't ready and McElroy's redshirt would get burned (not to mention he's the scout team QB and hasn't been as involved with the main offensive package as the others).

As for Johns, when he was moved last fall, he was trailing Croyle, Wilson and Guillon by a sizeable piece, and was probably a bit behind Barnes as well. I suspect he'd be at least no worse than Barnes at the moment, since he's been playing and is used to the speed of conference games.

I definitely think Johns will need more QB reps in practice, just in case.
 
RyTide said:
The physical conditioning and dominating play of last year's team was largely the result of a new S & C program. From my seat in the stands during the Duke game, I watched several of our enormous O linemen beat on pass rushes and shoved into the backfield by much smaller and supposedly less talented defensive linemen, several O linemen who hit no one on a play (did not even make contact), and several whose hands remained on their hips as their chests heaved between plays.

It has been said that between huddles and game stoppages, the typical starter spends a total of about 18 minutes of actual playing time on the field. If our O linemen can't get motivated to devote their best effort for 18 minutes, we have a real problem with the S & C program, a lack of motivation, or both. Some players need a pat on the back. I think our O line needs a kick in the seat of the pants before our QB gets creamed and the rest of the season goes down the drain. But that is just my 2 cents from my cheap seat in the stands and in my recliner.
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Conditioning and motivation aren't necessarily related. In the example of Duke, I don't think conditioning played a factor. It was all motivation - or lack therof. We were playing like it was a scrimmage and Duke knew it which got them excited because they thought they had a chance to win, further elevating their play.

Good teams demoralize their opponents. It is good to know that good teams haven't demoralized us this year (the one that we have played - Arkansas was not a good team when we played them). However, we are not demoralizing teams we are clearly superior to.

Sure, could be youth, but I don't get the feeling that Shula is showing the fire of a young hungry coach who wants to win. I get more a feeling of a experienced, proven coach who is playing as close to the cuff as possible to save up for the big games.

I am not convinced that our team has the confidence to be coached this way. I think the team is in dire need of confidence and if they get that we can exorcise our demons - but the longer the season goes without us having that "step up" game, the less likely it will come this year.
 
I'll be the back-up QB!!!

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I guess MG was pretty PO'd about his PT situation. I don't agree with his decision to leave mid-season, not that it's any of my business, but if you've ever played a sport and gotten shoved in at the last second for clean-up duty when you felt you were pretty good, you know it can be irritating. Sometimes you just have to move on, I guess.
 
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