Jeremy Elder arrested - discussion of legal issues, etc...

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Re: Jeremy Elder arrested.

Agreed, Saban doesn't have the burden of proof on him. He does have litigious issues for the University he has to consider though. Whatever guidelines UA has in place for students under scholarship with a criminal charge are what is important at this juncture. UA has to hedge against legal action if they pull funding for a student when later the student is found innocent.

I expect that Saban and UA in general are going to let the legal system play it's course before making their final call on Elder. Right now he will be suspended but that is as far as anybody at UA wants to go. Even though Elder looks like a thug criminal that has damaged his career and relationship with the University, he did commit to UA and UA has a commitment to him by letting the courts find him guilty before they make a decision on his scholarship.
Not sure I agree, rgw.

First, football scholarships are one-year deals, annually renewable. Worst case (and I agree with you that it might be worth the few thousand dollars to keep him on scholarship until the end of the spring term), we keep him on scholarship, but do not allow him any access to team functions, practices, training facilities, etc. until the end of May. At which point, unless it turns out the accusers fabricated the story, he's cut loose.

Second, the University has policies about any student, scholarshipped athlete or no, charged with felonies. Blessedly, I don't have personal experience with them, but I'd bet they're not terribly liberal.

Third, while the University may (and I emphasize may) have some obligation to Elder until the end of the spring term, it has a greater obligation to protect innocent students from other students known to have been charged with a violent felony.

What's worse...(1) get sued by an accused felon for abiding by the terms of a one-year contract, or (2) get sued by the bereaved parents of a beaten or even deceased student because another student, who'd already been charged with armed robbery, took it one step further? In a devil's choice, give me #1 every time. Any jackleg with a shingle from a non-accredited urban shoool of law could defend that.
 

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Earle, any idea when there will be some updates on this from the AD or are they waiting on the court system before making any statements?
 

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Not really any idea at all. I wouldn't really look for any word from them until the wheels of justice grind on a little longer and finer. So far as I know, the kid hasn't even bonded out yet. If he has to make commercial bond, and I'm assuming his relatives can't put up $120K in property, the bond premium's going to be in the neighborhood of $1200 or so. I'm struck that the bond is extraordinarily high for the offense, particularly for a first offender...
 

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I know it's been said on here before (innocent until proven guilty), but honestly, what are the chances that they "got the wrong guy"? These officers are good at what they do and while he hasn't been proven guilty, I'll be highly surprised if he isn't. If you ask me, it's a done deal. I think I'm just tired of the whole "PC" thing when it's fairly obvious about what happened. It's a formality at this point. That's my opinion.
 

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This could be a misunderstanding.
This could be a false accusation or a misidentification, but I seriously doubt its a misunderstanding. A misunderstanding would be if he happened to be polishing his gun while he asked a couple of guys if he could borrow some money and they mistook it for armed robbery.
 

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I know it's been said on here before (innocent until proven guilty), but honestly, what are the chances that they "got the wrong guy"? These officers are good at what they do and while he hasn't been proven guilty, I'll be highly surprised if he isn't. If you ask me, it's a done deal. I think I'm just tired of the whole "PC" thing when it's fairly obvious about what happened. It's a formality at this point. That's my opinion.
If the officers weren't there, then they have to rely on the accusers. The standard of proof for an arrest is significantly lower than that for a conviction.
 

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As I said, no one is putting him in jail without a trial. "Guilty until proven innocent" is a legal concept. Most lawyers may take police reports with a grain of salt, but they also know that the cops make very few arrests without evidence, and most people who are arrested are guilty of something. Maybe armed robbery will end up being a stretch, but I doubt Mr. Elder was in church choir at the time this incident occurred. I suspect Mr. Elder will not be returning to the football team anytime soon. I am sure Coach Saban has already taken a look at the situation and determined how best to handle it given our personnel. Fortunately for the team, I think this is little more than a soap opera. I hate it for Jeremy, though. Stupid, stupid decision.
Going against the grain again, I agree. More times than not, where there's smoke there's fire.

Regarding the situation itself, if he indeed DIDN'T do it, I sure as heck know I would somehow let it be known through some statement that I did NOT do it. I would make sure whether through the media or family members that the word got out that I had no part of it. Haven't heard any of that.
 

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These officers are good at what they do
Not sure to what degree you're familiar with the UA cops. Suffice it to say that I don't agree that an arrest by them is equivalent to a conviction. I don't practice criminal law, by any means, but, after 45 years of law practice, I have had the occasion to gather a lot of impressions, from the inside, on routine police work. All I have to say is that some of you guys repose a lot more confidence in police work than is really justified from statistics. A lot of police work is done by people who are lazy/tired/poorly-educated, and prejudiced to one degree or another. I'm glad you guys trust them absolutely. I don't. To say that an arrest by them equates guilt is just plain silly...
 

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He was arrested by the Sheriff's Department.

BTW, does anyone else find it funny that on the tidesports website they have a wanted banner with the top recruits and directly under that they have Elder's mug shot?
 

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Re: Jeremy Elder arrested.

Not sure to what degree you're familiar with the UA cops. Suffice it to say that I don't agree that an arrest by them is equivalent to a conviction. I don't practice criminal law, by any means, but, after 45 years of law practice, I have had the occasion to gather a lot of impressions, from the inside, on routine police work. All I have to say is that some of you guys repose a lot more confidence in police work than is really justified from statistics. A lot of police work is done by people who are lazy/tired/poorly-educated, and prejudiced to one degree or another. I'm glad you guys trust them absolutely. I don't. To say that an arrest by them equates guilt is just plain silly...
Well, I guess my opinion is silly then. Either way, it's just the way I feel about the situation. I'll just leave it at that and move on. I've put in my 2 cents. We'll hope for the best.
 

TIDE-HSV

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Presuming guilt from arrest is unconstitutional, among other things, and it's that for very good reasons, understood by the founding fathers...
 

Ldlane

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Presuming guilt from arrest is unconstitutional, among other things, and it's that for very good reasons, understood by the founding fathers...
Oh no! You said the "C" word! Tidewater will be here soon!:)
 

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If Mr. Elder is innocent, then the odds are that he'll have some kind of alibi. If he does have an alibi, then he'll walk and a lot of people will eat crow. Of course, he could be guilty as sin. Either way, we'll find out in due course.
 

TIDE-HSV

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Exactly - and I have a hard time understanding why folks feel this compulsion to rush to judgment. Is it to gain some closure as soon as possible?
 

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