Jeremy Elder arrested - discussion of legal issues, etc...

[Tidewater]

Re: Jeremy Elder arrested.

If Mr. Elder is innocent, then the odds are that he'll have some kind of alibi. If he does have an alibi, then he'll walk and a lot of people will eat crow. Of course, he could be guilty as sin. Either way, we'll find out in due course.

I am okay with the way this is being handled. We have a justice system and it will march through the discovery process, and maybe a trial, and we are going to get 12 people to consider evidence and pronounce judgment. This will take time (a year, maybe?).
In the meantime, Elder needs to focus on his defense, not football.

 

[PaulD]

Re: Jeremy Elder arrested.

Exactly - and I have a hard time understanding why folks feel this compulsion to rush to judgment. Is it to gain some closure as soon as possible?

We have a compulsion these days to have everything resolved in 42 minutes with 18 minutes of commercials. We can't wait and see about anything.

 

[tidepws]

Re: Jeremy Elder arrested.

Are you suggesting that I need to edit more thoroughly?

I would very much appreciate it...

 

[buzzincuzzin]

Re: Jeremy Elder arrested.

I thought a student having a weapon on any campus was an automatic expulsion for any student in the Alabama school system. ??????

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Re: Jeremy Elder arrested.

That may be true, but, from what I understand, there would be a large percentage of the male students expelled, were that policy enforced. I made the error of expressing surprise that one of our FB players season before last was riding around with a gun in his car, and I was lectured (by friends) about the necessity of keeping a gun around. I attended UA in the mid 50s - early 60s, and, so far as I know, no one had a handgun, except for, perhaps, a few nuts. No one felt the need. Changing world, I guess. I guess students are much safer now, with all the guns on campus...

 

[LCN]

Re: Jeremy Elder arrested.

That may be true, but, from what I understand, there would be a large percentage of the male students expelled, were that policy enforced. I made the error of expressing surprise that one of our FB players season before last was riding around with a gun in his car, and I was lectured (by friends) about the necessity of keeping a gun around. I attended UA in the mid 50s - early 60s, and, so far as I know, no one had a handgun, except for, perhaps, a few nuts. No one felt the need. Changing world, I guess. I guess students are much safer now, with all the guns on campus...

As long as we never have any Charles Whitman types on campus like so many others have endured .

I rarely "pack" but , there was a time when I never went anywhere without a pistol . Unfortunately , there have been 2 occasions when I needed to use mine and could not . Once , it was locked in my friends car for he had just talked me into leaving it . He was mugged less than 1 minute later . _blank: I guess I just leave it to fate but , the same goes for the perpetrator .

 

[LCN]

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He threw it away for $100. Hope it was worth it.

Heard it was $26 .

Are you suggesting that I need to edit more thoroughly?

I greatly appreciate every bit of your research . Maybe some of the others can't handle reading more than 3 sentences at a time . :conf3: ADD ? _blank:

 

[AngryEwok]

Re: Jeremy Elder arrested.

That may be true, but, from what I understand, there would be a large percentage of the male students expelled, were that policy enforced. I made the error of expressing surprise that one of our FB players season before last was riding around with a gun in his car, and I was lectured (by friends) about the necessity of keeping a gun around. I attended UA in the mid 50s - early 60s, and, so far as I know, no one had a handgun, except for, perhaps, a few nuts. No one felt the need. Changing world, I guess. I guess students are much safer now, with all the guns on campus...

HSV, I assure you there were plenty of normal students who had a gun in their car back in those days. I think what has changed is that now people feel the need to carry the handgun on their person.

I almost brought this topic up earlier. You might be surprised to hear just how many students are licensed to conceal and carry. And they carry on the UA campus. It isn't just the kids, either - there are a lot of teachers who carry, there are a lot of faculty who carry.

I've said this for years and I will hold to it - the campus at the University of Alabama is safer because of the students and faculty who carry a concealed weapon.

The bottom line is that this young man, presuming he is guilty, is lucky he didn't try this on the wrong person, he wouldn't be trying to post $120,000 bond this morning.

Thank God all of the parties involved were able to step away unharmed.

 

[Bama Reb]

Re: Jeremy Elder arrested.

HSV, I assure you there were plenty of normal students who had a gun in their car back in those days. I think what has changed is that now people feel the need to carry the handgun on their person.

I almost brought this topic up earlier. You might be surprised to hear just how many students are licensed to conceal and carry. And they carry on the UA campus. It isn't just the kids, either - there are a lot of teachers who carry, there are a lot of faculty who carry.

I've said this for years and I will hold to it - the campus at the University of Alabama is safer because of the students and faculty who carry a concealed weapon.

The bottom line is that this young man, presuming he is guilty, is lucky he didn't try this on the wrong person, he wouldn't be trying to post $120,000 bond this morning.

Thank God all of the parties involved were able to step away unharmed.

A quote from one of my favorite John Wayne movies, Angel and the Badman(1947): "Only a man who uses a gun carries a gun".

 

[TIDE-HSV]

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Believe me, Angry, I was there. The density of handguns was nothing like today. And, the number of guys who were friends of mine that carried guns was zero. There were a very few who had handguns and they were regarded, as I said again, as nuts and probably a little dangerous. I wasn't aware that you were on campus during the 50s. What years were you there? For one thing, there was the matter of cost. Growing up in the 40s and 50s, I can guarantee you that not 5% of the students at UA could've afforded a handgun. And, this now goes to NS...

 

[bamanut_aj]

how long before we can expect (1) an official indictment (2) a trial?

Should the charges be dropped for whatever reason, could we expect a reinstatement? Should an indictment come, but an acquittal is achieved through the courts, what might we expect? should an indictment come, followed by a conviction, I think that's obvious what to expect.

 

[Tidewater]

how long before we can expect (1) an official indictment (2) a trial?

Should the charges be dropped for whatever reason, could we expect a reinstatement? Should an indictment come, but an acquittal is achieved through the courts, what might we expect? should an indictment come, followed by a conviction, I think that's obvious what to expect.

I know there are some significant differences, but Sim Castille's August disorderly went to court in late November.
My suspicion is that, given the seriousness of the offense, Elder's lawyers will likely ask for more time to prepare. I should think a year would be about about right.

 

[BAMARICH]

Somewhere up above, Earle asked why people seem to want to rush to some kind of judgment so quickly. IMO, the answer to that question is "the longer the issue is discussed, the more bad publicity for the FB program." As some have said earlier, we are now living in a time period when these things WILL happen to FB programs... regardless of how Saban disciplines. It's a combo of the immaturity issue, increase media attention, and NCAA rules.

 

[Tidewater]

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I would very much appreciate it...

Wow. Normally, when I come across a very long post, on a topic I am not interested in, I just skip it.

It's just that I feel pretty passionately about the subject, and, while lots of people gob off about the Constitution and what it means, relatively few back it up with references from the record. In my long-ish posts, I am just trying to to show that I didn't make up my opinions out of whole cloth.

I will bear in mind what you wrote and try to edit better in the future.

 

[tidepws]

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Wow. Normally, when I come across a very long post, on a topic I am not interested in, I just skip it.

It's just that I feel pretty passionately about the subject, and, while lots of people gob off about the Constitution and what it means, relatively few back it up with references from the record. In my long-ish posts, I am just trying to to show that I didn't make up my opinions out of whole cloth.

I will bear in mind what you wrote and try to edit better in the future.

You do know I was being facetious, right?

I actually enjoy your posts.

 

[gmart74]

I could care less about what the courts find than what actually happened. Guilt or innocence in a court of law is for the courts. If he actually did this, even if found not guilty, I would not want him representing the university any longer. However if it is found the guys made up the story I think Elder deserves our complete respect and support for his embarassing ordeal.

 

[rgw]

Two 60k bails for two counts of robbery is quite a large bail...

I know everyone is holding out hope that Elder is innocent and he has an air-tight alibi to prove his innocence. But lets get real, the police immediately found their man and placed an huge bail on his head. They have got their man and they don't want him leaving jail.

Idealism is great (innocent until proven guilty) and I hope our legal systems function on that ideal, but even Coach Saban says that it is best to always be grounded in realism. "It is what it is."


Realistically, no athlete at the University of Alabama is going to be arrested by local police on flimsy evidence. The 120k bail is like the courts saying: "you are only safe in jail." REALISTICALLY, I'm not going to sit here and feign compassion when it's mostly just to prop-up the fleeting hope that our team doesn't have a few thugs on it. Every team in America does. You can't have 100 young men in a group without a few bad or misguided apples. Realistically, in a month we will be calling Elder a felon not phenom...I hope not, but lets be realistic here. We are not the court, we have no ideal to uphold here.

 

[Crimson Speed]

Gmart, I agree with you. The outcome of a court procedure for Jeremy, if it comes to that, is completely separate from whether he actually committed the crime. I have no idea if he actually did rob these guys, but there is nothing as good as being "lawyered up" these days. It is my opinion that the legal system today tends toward a "not guilty verdict", even if they actually did the crime. So, in too many cases, the guilty walk free to victimize more in society.

Still, many would argue it is better that a hundred walk free than one innocent person be found guilty.

Jeremy is entitled to his day in court. We shall see, but my opinion is this young man will never play Alabama football again. What a shame.

 

[Tide n True]

Re: Jeremy Elder arrested.

(Sighs of disbelief)

JE was going to become a part of a very special team in Alabama football history, and he potentially blew that opportunity because he felt he needed to "owned" another persons' "property."

I'm not going to judge the kid, because he is just that a kid. It's not my job, anybody else job on this board to judge the kid. I just hope the kid learns from it, and becomes a better person.

I'm pretty sure he's an adult.

 

[BamaFan1961]

al.com article says he admitted to robing the students

http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2008/02/tides_elder_admitted_to_robber.html