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Mass/Active shooters part 4

What are you doing to make sure your children aren't going to shoot a bunch of people with their guns?

Maybe you should take their guns away.

Guns after all are the problem.

Right?

Because I'm not hearing much about parenting being the problem.
 
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Well, one court just sent a mom to jail, so some are blaming parents. Need to blame the guns.

I don't own a gun, have never shot one in my life. My parents didn't own guns, my kids don't have guns. So, they will not be shooting anyone. So, what's your point? Guns are the problem, and we should be taking the guns away from every single one of you, but the 2nd is holding us all hostage.

You think I feel safe knowing people around me are packing? Hell no, it scares me to death. We have 70 and 80 year old men at our church that have been designated as "security" and are packing every Sunday. It freaks me out because these people can barely walk from their car to the front door. Yet they are supposed to shoot a moving target if someone attacks our church. They'll probably take out more innocent people "protecting" us then an assailant. Guns are the problem.
 
I grew up with guns. Enjoyed many days shooting guns. I've even enjoyed target practicing with an AR-15. I used to own a 1911 .45 pistol for self defense at my home, but I eventually sold it. So, I come from that background of appreciating and respecting firearms. Yeah, there are plenty of bad parents out there. It's very easy to say "Parenting is the problem", but very hard to come up with a solution to bad parenting. I think alot of people will agree that we will never reach the point of banning any type of weapon, but I would like to see a very rigorous process to obtain any sort of firearm. Make it so that "You really, really, really, want a gun before you go through the pain of obtaining one".
 
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I grew up with guns. Enjoyed many days shooting guns. I've even enjoyed target practicing with an AR-15. I used to own a 1911 .45 pistol for self defense at my home, but I eventually sold it. So, I come from that background of appreciating and respecting firearms. Yeah, there are plenty of bad parents out there. It's very easy to say "Parenting is the problem", but very hard to come up with a solution to bad parenting. I think alot of people will agree that we will never reach the point of banning any type of weapon, but I would like to see a very rigorous process to obtain any sort of firearm. Make it so that "You really, really, really, want a gun before you go through the pain of obtaining one".
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I can go with that, but it doesn't change the reality that buying a gun off the street will remain as easy as ever. The black market for guns, drugs and sex has been around forever and it isn't going anywhere. There just doesn't seem to be a way to put that toothpaste back into the tube.
 
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I can go with that, but it doesn't change the reality that buying a gun off the street will remain as easy as ever. The black market for guns, drugs and sex has been around forever and it isn't going anywhere. There just doesn't seem to be a way to put that toothpaste back into the tube.
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I agree with this, however, I'm of the opinion that we still need better background checks. There are too many people with a history of mental illness that are able to get guns.

Magazine restrictions would help. When I was in HS, you had to have a plug in your shotgun to keep you from loading more than three shells.

Also, there are certain guns that don't need to be sold to the general public.

I know there are literally millions of guns already out there, but things are getting worse rather than better. It's time outlaw some of these guns, legislate magazine limits, and perform more stringent background checks.
 
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I agree with this, however, I'm of the opinion that we still need better background checks. There are too many people with a history of mental illness that are able to get guns.

Magazine restrictions would help. When I was in HS, you had to have a plug in you shotgun to keep you from loading more than three shells.

Also, there are certain guns that don't need to be sold to the general public. I know handguns.

I know there are literally millions of guns already out there, but things are getting worse rather than better. It's time outlaw some of these guns, legislate magazine limits, and perform more stringent background checks.
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I don't see a single thing here that I can disagree with. I don't own a gun myself, but I absolutely believe that a person should be allowed to have one should they wish, BUT they need to earn the right first. Show some basic competency with a firearm and have a clean record. What the hell is wrong with that? Then again, I feel the same way about voting rights, so take that for what it's worth.
 
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-snip-It's very easy to say "Parenting is the problem", but very hard to come up with a solution to bad parenting. -snip-
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I'm sure we're all in agreement that there's no such thing as a "one size fits all" solution.

And I realize "parenting" is not something we can really control. But how about at least keeping it in the discussion along with everything else. Because it does matter.

When was the last time we saw any stories about what constitutes "good parenting" anyway......does the media even go into things like this as it pertains to responsible firearms ownership.....or just even being a good responsible citizen?

Maybe it's not a "juicy" or "sexy" enough topic....... 🤷‍♂️
 
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We should allow lawsuits to go after gun companies. Wnen the massive penalties start flowing, use some of the money to start a buy back program for guns with a high enough price that the guns get turned in.
Shift the culture so that open carry people realize they look like cowards afraid to leave their home without their gun, they look the opposite of tough guys.

maybe Taylor Swift could explain real men don’t need guns to be manly. 😀
 
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We should allow lawsuits to go after gun companies. Wnen the massive penalties start flowing, use some of the money to start a buy back program for guns with a high enough price that the guns get turned in.
Shift the culture so that open carry people realize they look like cowards afraid to leave their home without their gun, they look the opposite of tough guys.

maybe Taylor Swift could explain real men don’t need guns to be manly. 😀
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At least the vaccine injury program collects money and pools it to cover vaccine injuries, though it somewhat rarely has to be used.

When Congress exempted gun manufacturers they created no such program, so people are just injured and killed with no recourse.
 
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At least the vaccine injury program collects money and pools it to cover vaccine injuries, though it somewhat rarely has to be used.

When Congress exempted gun manufacturers they created no such program, so people are just injured and killed with no recourse.
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Good luck to Mexico...

Mexico Is Suing US Gun-makers For Arming Its Gangs—And A US Court Could Award Billions In Damages (talkingpointsmemo.com)

If Mexico does win at trial, its demand for $10 billion in damages could drive several of the nation’s largest firearm manufacturers into bankruptcy. Even if the case were to settle for much less, a victory by Mexico would provide a template for a wave of future lawsuits that could change the way the gun industry operates.

Similar theories about dangerous product designs, irresponsible marketing and reckless distribution practices in opioid litigation have transformed the pharmaceutical industry. Civil lawsuits have forced the drugmakers to take public responsibility for a nationwide health crisis, overhaul the way they do business and pay billions of dollars in judgments and settlements.
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www.actionnews5.com

James Crumbley, who bought gun used by son to kill 4 students, guilty of manslaughter in Michigan

He and his wife each face a possible minimum sentence of as much as 10 years in prison when they return to court.
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James and Jennifer Crumbley, the parents of the teenager who killed four students in the 2021 school shooting in Oxford, Michigan, were each sentenced Tuesday to 10 to 15 years in prison, weeks after being convicted of manslaughter.

They each had faced up to 15 years in prison. The two have already been imprisoned for over two years since their arrest in a Detroit warehouse days after the shooting. Though the parents were tried separately, their sentencing took place together in an Oakland County courtroom.

Before sentencing, parents of the slain students addressed the court and the defendants.


https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/09/us/james-jennifer-crumbley-sentencing/index.html
 

Ye was hospitalized in December 2022 for “threatening to ‘shoot up a school,’ homicidal, and suicidal ideations,” according to the arrest warrant. The student was then hospitalized for five months in 2023 at Johns Hopkins Pediatric Unit for “homicidal ideations.”

More recently on March 15, FBI agents interviewed a school counselor who worked with the student from late 2022 to early 2023 and said Ye would “express violent thoughts such as shooting up the school, wanting to hurt other people, and would smile while saying it,” according to the arrest warrant.
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Very serious stuff. It is exceedingly difficult to hospitalize anyone, much less a teenager, especially for five months.

Glad they were able to intervene to stop this beforehand.
 
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