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🏈 for nearly 100 years was a 🌎 of its own, and we were given an external view of it all. Over time the quality of our view improved. We gained a deeper insight. Access to more games. Behind the scenes videos. Even barber shop style chat sessions. And the 🌎 was great. It was fun. It was attractive.

Then the 🏈 🌍 had holes punched into it. So players could travel freely at will from team to Team. Then college 🏈 sold access into the 🌎 to those with ego and 💰

Those with newly paid-for access then chose to manipulate the very foundation of 🏈 🌍 and here we are.

We have a game no longer worth watching
Recruiting means little to nothing.
Teams no longer have identities
Coaches have been gelded
And quarterbacks who make NIL videos right before kickoff

Heads up! Fonzie just landed on the other side of the shark tank. And it happened so fast, no one was aware it was happening until it was over.
 
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Ya’ll are going to make me be pedanticly specific I guess.

I mean any established CNS starting QB from 2007-2022

No I’m not counting Blake Barnett or Cooper Bateman

JPW
McElroy
AJ
Sims
Coker
Hurts
Tua
Mac
Bryce

They are all better than Milroe

Worlds Better

Milroe is the worst entrenched QB starter than before any of those guys.

I’m not meaning one off examples.
I take exception to Coker .. he also needed lot of time in pocket. He was also little clumsy in pocket. But he would have definitely run more physically N-S
Milroe issue is clouding the OL and the offensive coord calls
 

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Exactly. All his comments and interviews are crap talk, or he's clueless.
If he would own either one I would respect him more.

I don't think a change in QB is going to solve all the other issues mentioned in this thread.

Something else while I'm still dogging CKD, with what we saw today with the staff not being prepared with the right cleats, I wonder what else in the program we don't see is in decline? Things like players eating the right diet, going to sleep on time, not attending workouts or rehab properly, attending class etc.
Makes me wonder.
I have not seen a more incompetent coaching staff at Bama
 
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As much as I can appreciate all the success we had under CNS, I can't honestly see how he came to signing Milroe and hiring Doug Marrone. There had to be a massive amount of hubris or massive amount of neglect in these 2 program wrecking decisions.
I cannot tell you why CNS hired Marrone, but I think CNS saw in Milroe what he saw in Jalen Hurts. A very talented, athletic QB who depended on running rather than passing and in both cases it worked at the high school level. If you remember Hurts first two years he was a run first QB who had problems reading defenses. At that point he was not much different than Milroe. Then when CNS hiresd Kiffin and later Sarkisian Hurts developed the skills to make it in the NFL. Milroe did not have the luxury of that kind of tutelage and never developed beyond his high school skill set. I am not defending his other actions, or saying he would have been a much better QB, but he was shortchanged in developing his QB skills.
 
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I have not seen a more incompetent coaching staff at Bama
I don’t think it’s about competency. They’ve been declawed. Gelded. Castrated. Whatever term works best. They are Kindergarten teachers where all of the 5 year olds have been told they don’t have to listen, they can each have whatever they want for lunch, they don’t have to take a nap, and they don’t have to learn anything.

And they get $20 at the end of the day whether they behaved or not.

not sure you can blame the coaches, as they are literally in bizarro world and have no power.
 

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I cannot tell you why CNS hired Marrone, but I think CNS saw in Milroe what he saw in Jalen Hurts. A very talented, athletic QB who depended on running rather than passing and in both cases it worked at the high school level. If you remember Hurts first two years he was a run first QB who had problems reading defenses. At that point he was not much different than Milroe. Then when CNS hiresd Kiffin and later Sarkisian Hurts developed the skills to make it in the NFL. Milroe did not have the luxury of that kind of tutelage and never developed beyond his high school skill set. I am not defending his other actions, or saying he would have been a much better QB, but he was shortchanged in developing his QB skills.
Milroe’s QB skills and abilities aren’t really my issue. For 2 years it appears he’s held this team hostage.

my question is how? And why?
 

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I am also concerned about the OC. Last year we saw the same Milroe, but there were second half adjustments to the offense that turned several losses into wins. This year I saw none of that. Alabama lost several games this year that you would have won last year with the same players because the coaches would have made adjustments.
 

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I get that. But if Saban couldn't squash it who can?????????????
No one said Saban (nor anyone else) cannot squash it. I just don't know that anyone has figured out how to handle the mess the NCAA created yet.

It's not unlike when a new offensive scheme is developed and seems like there's no way to defend it, but over time, the great defensive minds figure out how to slow it down or stop it entirely and we reach a state of equilibrium.

I suspect TPTB will figure out how to close the barn doors a bit over the next few years - I doubt very much that anyone thinks the current system is good and stable - but until then the coaches who are somehow able to thread the needle wrt not letting an inrush of wealth and influence hamstring their authority and control over the team will have a huge advantage.

Just because Saban didn't have the answer doesn't mean no one does. It's a new problem that will require unique solutions.
 

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You probably have the same level of chaos in this roster is the same as on your average construction crew. And the superintendent would be fired for allowing the kind of incompetence we saw on today on the construction job. I would be fired in my role if I tolerated on display incompetence on the job and kept allowing it to happen. Then I would be fired if it came to light that I made an agreement with the employee that allowed the incompetent performance without discipline.

These are not hard decisions in the real world we all live in...
Yeah, but the entertainment industry (which is what sports are, even CFB) is not the 'real world'. Things work differently and trying to make CFB fit your employment paradigm just doesn't work.
 

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To listen to the staff, Jalen played amazing all year and other people just let him down. I don’t think they actually believe that, because then I would have to accept that our coaching staff are wildly incompetent and not just a bunch of liars.
At some point, yelling "All is well" while crap is hitting the fan
just makes the speaker look foolish.
 

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I am also concerned about the OC. Last year we saw the same Milroe, but there were second half adjustments to the offense that turned several losses into wins. This year I saw none of that. Alabama lost several games this year that you would have won last year with the same players because the coaches would have made adjustments.
Aside from the Oklahoma game I really don’t question Sheridan that much. Again in a passing offense you look like the best OC in the world when you have an elite passer at quarterback and a fool when you have a middle school yard baller. Yesterday, Williams and Bernard were so laughably wide open that we would probably have to go back to Mark Gullion or Spencer Pennington before we find an Alabama starter that we would find that couldn’t win that game. I don’t know how you could put yesterday on Sheridan at all other than maybe not call 4 passes at the end but even then they were there for the taking.

Another thing to consider is that Rees had the luxury of an elite defense that had been in Saban’s system for awhile to bail him out. So he could afford to take a more conservative approach. This year our defense was very young and was transitioning into a brand new system so we were going to need alot of points in some games.

I wouldn’t be against moving on from Sheridan and quite frankly I’m shocked that he got the job over Shepard, but I don’t know if he could have done much better with Jalen Milroe than Sheridan did. I think Rees is better than Sheridan in adapting but generally they got the same results out of him. Which was… we have a one read running back that is convinced he is the next Tom Brady no matter how much film we showing him the opposite.
 

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I don’t think it’s about competency. They’ve been declawed. Gelded. Castrated. Whatever term works best. They are Kindergarten teachers where all of the 5 year olds have been told they don’t have to listen, they can each have whatever they want for lunch, they don’t have to take a nap, and they don’t have to learn anything.

And they get $20 at the end of the day whether they behaved or not.

not sure you can blame the coaches, as they are literally in bizarro world and have no power.
Precisely..............its the same thing I have heard multiple times from different people
 

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I don't think "quite poor" even comes close to describing it. Calling for the (wet) ball and losing attention while it's on the way is in a classification of its own. If it had been high, it would have hit him between the eyes. Talking to folk who were at the game, we TV watchers were spared watching all of the receivers running free or standing and calling for the ball...
I was trying to be diplomatic.
At this point, if it encourages a player to declare for the NFL draft, I'll sing his praises.
 

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Aside from the Oklahoma game I really don’t question Sheridan that much. Again in a passing offense you look like the best OC in the world when you have an elite passer at quarterback and a fool when you have a middle school yard baller. Yesterday, Williams and Bernard were so laughably wide open that we would probably have to go back to Mark Gullion or Spencer Pennington before we find an Alabama starter that we would find that couldn’t win that game. I don’t know how you could put yesterday on Sheridan at all other than maybe not call 4 passes at the end but even then they were there for the taking.

Another thing to consider is that Rees had the luxury of an elite defense that had been in Saban’s system for awhile to bail him out. So he could afford to take a more conservative approach. This year our defense was very young and was transitioning into a brand new system so we were going to need alot of points in some games.

I wouldn’t be against moving on from Sheridan and quite frankly I’m shocked that he got the job over Shepard, but I don’t know if he could have done much better with Jalen Milroe than Sheridan did. I think Rees is better than Sheridan in adapting but generally they got the same results out of him. Which was… we have a one read running back that is convinced he is the next Tom Brady no matter how much film we showing him the opposite.
First, this defense was better than last year's defense. Second, Rees made halftime adjustments. It frustrated me that he always waited until halftime, but he made them then and they worked. Sheridan did not make halftime adjustments in any of the 4 losses this year. You ran the same plays all game long to no effect.

The other team practices, too. They are coached, too. If they have a plan to stop what you are running, you have to adjust to what you are seeing. Coordinators who cannot do this fail no matter where they go or who they coach.
 

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First, this defense was better than last year's defense. Second, Rees made halftime adjustments. It frustrated me that he always waited until halftime, but he made them then and they worked. Sheridan did not make halftime adjustments in any of the 4 losses this year. You ran the same plays all game long to no effect.

The other team practices, too. They are coached, too. If they have a plan to stop what you are running, you have to adjust to what you are seeing. Coordinators who cannot do this fail no matter where they go or who they coach.
I would have taken Rees yesterday
 

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