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Re: Former Penn St. DC Jerry Sandusky arrested for 40 counts of sexual assaults of mi

I don't know if this has been brought into the discussion but it was also reported a couple of days ago that Sandusky was STILL recruiting for PSU this past spring.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45246746
I think it was a few pages back, but it deserves repeating, particularly since it's an NCAA violation...
 
Re: Former Penn St. DC Jerry Sandusky arrested for 40 counts of sexual assaults of mi

I wondered if he could still be officially representing Penn State on trips like this, or if his saying he was visiting on behalf of Penn State was just another bogus line he was dishing out.

I imagine, like everything else, that Penn State was "unofficially" aware he was still recruiting for them. Plausible deniability.

They ought to melt down the statue they have of Paterno on the Penn State campus. It has no place being there.
 
In years past, especially in military circles, when a top commander was disgraced or otherwise compromised, he would be left alone with some hemlock, or a gun with one bullet. He was given the chance to end it all by his own hand.

Maybe that's what that fool judge had in mind when she let Sandusky out on bail.
 
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As a collective, we Americans are adept at denial. We really don't want to believe that people who seem so like us are capable of unspeakable acts. Even after the whole Catholic church thing, even after this PSU situation, we will eventually lull ourselves back into a state of malignant disbelief and disinterest.

What troubles me the most about this scandal is the alleged fear some folks had of crossing Sandusky, or of turning him in, and putting the PSU program and prestige at risk. It resembles the Mob, where a made-man will never do anything to hurt the organization. Also resembles the Catholic Church...in the way it has handled its pedophile priests.
 
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It may be true that most of us wouldn't do a better job of dealing with this situation than McQueary and Paterno, but when we hear something like this it should bring anger and outrage. I don't think people are so much passing moral judgement on others as they are responding to the anger that wells up inside of most of us when we hear about a nasty situation like this. We know what's right when not faced with the direct consequences of doing the right thing - that's true. But part of processing something this ugly is the anger. We're supposed to protect our children. Someone mentioned how helpless those kids must have felt when they saw an adult who COULD have saved them and then didn't. I can't imagine what that does to a child and his outlook on the world in general. Those are the kinds of circumstances which create adults who have no faith or trust in anything or anyone. A child who goes through something like that has very little chance of having a happy and productive adulthood. We need to think about that soberly and let it stick in our minds.

But I think it's productive to get good and mad at Paterno and McQueary and the reason is this. Paterno comes from a generation where you turn your head and don't get involved in the deep, dark, ugly aspects of someone's life. You turn the other way, you cover it up - you don't think about the victims, you just make it disappear by acting like it's not happening. That's what happened in the Catholic church for so long until they just had to finally deal with it and expose the ugliness, and this is no different. We need to see that for what it is - it's WRONG, and as a society, we need to have the discussion as to why it's wrong.

It doesn't matter what we personally would or would not do. We may never be faced with the same situation, but we need to look at ALL of the wrongs in this story and discuss them and pass judgement on them. Having that discussion, dealing with it and exposing the ugliness of not only Sandusky, but of Paterno's and the rest of the administration's attempts to cover it up brings it to the forefront and helps society in general realize that just turning the other way is just as wrong. And if we have that public discussion as a society, just MAYBE we will have the moral courage to handle it the right way if ever faced with it.
 
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It may be true that most of us wouldn't do a better job of dealing with this situation than McQueary and Paterno, but when we hear something like this it should bring anger and outrage. I don't think people are so much passing moral judgement on others as they are responding to the anger that wells up inside of most of us when we hear about a nasty situation like this. We know what's right when not faced with the direct consequences of doing the right thing - that's true. But part of processing something this ugly is the anger. We're supposed to protect our children. Someone mentioned how helpless those kids must have felt when they saw an adult who COULD have saved them and then didn't. I can't imagine what that does to a child and his outlook on the world in general. Those are the kinds of circumstances which create adults who have no faith or trust in anything or anyone. A child who goes through something like that has very little chance of having a happy and productive adulthood. We need to think about that soberly and let it stick in our minds.

But I think it's productive to get good and mad at Paterno and McQueary and the reason is this. Paterno comes from a generation where you turn your head and don't get involved in the deep, dark, ugly aspects of someone's life. You turn the other way, you cover it up - you don't think about the victims, you just make it disappear by acting like it's not happening. That's what happened in the Catholic church for so long until they just had to finally deal with it and expose the ugliness, and this is no different. We need to see that for what it is - it's WRONG, and as a society, we need to have the discussion as to why it's wrong.

It doesn't matter what we personally would or would not do. We may never be faced with the same situation, but we need to look at ALL of the wrongs in this story and discuss them and pass judgement on them. Having that discussion, dealing with it and exposing the ugliness of not only Sandusky, but of Paterno's and the rest of the administration's attempts to cover it up brings it to the forefront and helps society in general realize that just turning the other way is just as wrong. And if we have that public discussion as a society, just MAYBE we will have the moral courage to handle it the right way if ever faced with it.

Well I'll be darned, I read all the way through that long post and agreed with every word. :wink:
 
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And ESPN's coverage of the PSU game was twisted. They treated it like a funeral - like Paterno was absent because he had died unexpectedly instead of being fired for allowing the rape of children in his facilities for a decade.

I agree. I woke up this morning and was watching ESPN to get the scores of some of the games I missed yesterday. (I was out of town on some personal business.) But after watching that farce for only a few minutes I could only shake my head in disbelief. They twisted the story and made JoePa look like some sort of folk hero who had met a tragic death.
Does no one in the press believe in truth and morals anymore?
 
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I think it is easy for us all to say what we would and wouldnt do in a similar situation as McQueary or Paterno. Forget about this situation, let's look at something a little less severe. If you go back and read interviews with some of the HealthSouth CFOs - none of them expected to find themselves in the midst of a gigantic fraud - yet there they were and at some level publicly responsible whether they were directly or indirectly involved in the scheme. How do you do the right thing when it costs you everything?

No doubt you have to do the right thing. But how many of us really do? How many of us have passed on intervening in much lesser situations? Heck, how many of us pass on the opportunity to really do something good for people? Then what makes you think you would speak up or intervene in the most severe situation? I would like to think that I would react correctly put in that situation but would I really? Everyone one of us at some point or many points in our life are guilty of not speaking up. We always count the costs before we decide to intervene to do good or stop evil. It always costs you to do the right thing. Its never convenient and easy to do the right thing.

Its awful easy and convenient to be outraged and pass judgment on those who found themselves inexplicably in that situation. But the point I take away from this whole sordid and sad affair - is that I should not pass judgment on Paterno or McQueary or any of the others who looked the other way. There are those who are tasked with the responsibility of doing that. But I should pass judgment on myself and really look within myself to see how I would react. I am confronted with lesser situations everyday to do good for someone or stop evil - how am I passing those tests? This is a reminder to me that I know someone who paid the ultimate price for me. Am I paying the ultimate price for him?
 
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I think it is easy for us all to say what we would and wouldnt do in a similar situation as McQueary or Paterno. Forget about this situation, let's look at something a little less severe. If you go back and read interviews with some of the HealthSouth CFOs - none of them expected to find themselves in the midst of a gigantic fraud - yet there they were and at some level publicly responsible whether they were directly or indirectly involved in the scheme. How do you do the right thing when it costs you everything?

No doubt you have to do the right thing. But how many of us really do? How many of us have passed on intervening in much lesser situations? Heck, how many of us pass on the opportunity to really do something good for people? Then what makes you think you would speak up or intervene in the most severe situation? I would like to think that I would react correctly put in that situation but would I really? Everyone one of us at some point or many points in our life are guilty of not speaking up. We always count the costs before we decide to intervene to do good or stop evil. It always costs you to do the right thing. Its never convenient and easy to do the right thing.

Its awful easy and convenient to be outraged and pass judgment on those who found themselves inexplicably in that situation. But the point I take away from this whole sordid and sad affair - is that I should not pass judgment on Paterno or McQueary or any of the others who looked the other way. There are those who are tasked with the responsibility of doing that. But I should pass judgment on myself and really look within myself to see how I would react. I am confronted with lesser situations everyday to do good for someone or stop evil - how am I passing those tests? This is a reminder to me that I know someone who paid the ultimate price for me. Am I paying the ultimate price for him?

My God... this is not some Philosophy/Ethics class where you can wax philosophically about passing judgement while using non-violent or minor examples to support your case. The facts are a grown man witnessed a child being raped and did nothing to stop it. I'm not talking about reporting it, I'm talking about preventing that child from being raped one second longer. That coward did nothing of the sort; he is a weak, worthless man.

If you can't pass judgement/outraged at something as atrocious as this what the hell can you? Anything? And if you stood idly by while a child was being raped in your presence, I would pass judgement on you as a weak, worthless man as well. And Paterno gets no sympathy from me as he helped facilitate this monster after he most likely knew.
 
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Despite some of the cynicism here, I think that if most men happened upon a woman being raped, they would go into protective mode and do their best to attack her attacker and get him off of her - even to the point of putting themselves in harm's way. Men are the protectors - it's almost automatic where a woman is concerned. How many men would turn the other way if it was a woman being raped? I really don't think many would. This was a child - a little boy. I have to think that most men would also protect a little child. It might take a few moments to get past the initial shock of actually seeing a man raping a little boy, but once that ugly scene was processed, I think most men on this board and anywhere else would go into protection mode and help that little boy. I know women who would have acted immediately in some way without hesitation to protect that little boy. I don't think anyone here is talking out of his/her rear end when saying that he/she would have protected this child. If that's not the case, then society is worse off than I thought and we are in serious decline.

But then, there are cowards. McQueary is a coward.
 
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Despite some of the cynicism here, I think that if most men happened upon a woman being raped, they would go into protective mode and do their best to attack her attacker and get him off of her - even to the point of putting themselves in harm's way. Men are the protectors - it's almost automatic where a woman is concerned. How many men would turn the other way if it was a woman being raped? I really don't think many would. This was a child - a little boy. I have to think that most men would also protect a little child. It might take a few moments to get past the initial shock of actually seeing a man raping a little boy, but once that ugly scene was processed, I think most men on this board and anywhere else would go into protection mode and help that little boy. I know women who would have acted immediately in some way without hesitation to protect that little boy. I don't think anyone here is talking out of his/her rear end when saying that he/she would have protected this child. If that's not the case, then society is worse off than I thought and we are in serious decline.

THIS, and that is why I believe that there is way more to this story than we will ever know. If he did truly walk off and leave this child then there has to be more.
 
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When I was 19 living in Chicago, I found myself on the train/subway system late at night. In an almost empty car, there was a girl being really harrassed by a scary looking vagrant. I was the only other person in the car. Despite being 100 pounds lighter than the other guy, I introduced myself to the girl and sat between her and the guy leaning over her doing all the trash talking.
I told her that if we got off at an "AB" stop there would be a policeman on duty, if she got off on an A stop or a B stop, there would be no police. The vagrant cussed and threatened the whole way, but I saw her to safety, although I thought it was very likely I would pay the price from him.

This is the first time I've ever told that story, I understand when you brag on yourself it cancels any credit you might be due. But don't tell me I would wimp out when the chips are down.
 
Re: Former Penn St. DC Jerry Sandusky arrested for 40 counts of sexual assaults of mi

When I was 19 living in Chicago, I found myself on the train/subway system late at night. In an almost empty car, there was a girl being really harrassed by a scary looking vagrant. I was the only other person in the car. Despite being 100 pounds lighter than the other guy, I introduced myself to the girl and sat between her and the guy leaning over her doing all the trash talking.
I told her that if we got off at an "AB" stop there would be a policeman on duty, if she got off on an A stop or a B stop, there would be no police. The vagrant cussed and threatened the whole way, but I saw her to safety, although I thought it was very likely I would pay the price from him.

This is the first time I've ever told that story, I understand when you brag on yourself it cancels any credit you might be due. But don't tell me I would wimp out when the chips are down.

:smile: I'm not a bit surprised by this story and I'm proud of you Chuk. And I think a lot of men would do the same. I was leaving work after dark one evening on 7th Ave. S. in Bham, and a guy I worked with was walking me out. Several of us were working late, but he offered to see me to my car. We got to the parking lot, and my car was being broken into by 2 guys and they had bashed in my window and ripped out my stereo. The guy walking me out is about 6'2", but skinny as a rail - probably weighed about 170 at the most. He took off running and ran those guys out of the parking lot, screaming at them. It scared me to death for HIM, but he did it instinctively. That's what most guys do - they protect those who are less physically strong.
 
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:smile: I'm not a bit surprised by this story and I'm proud of you Chuk. And I think a lot of men would do the same. I was leaving work after dark one evening on 7th Ave. S. in Bham, and a guy I worked with was walking me out. Several of us were working late, but he offered to see me to my car. We got to the parking lot, and my car was being broken into by 2 guys and they had bashed in my window and ripped out my stereo. The guy walking me out is about 6'2", but skinny as a rail - probably weighed about 170 at the most. He took off running and ran those guys out of the parking lot, screaming at them. It scared me to death for HIM, but he did it instinctively. That's what most guys do - they protect those who are less physically strong.

7 Ave S? I worked at the old Central Bank ops center back in the 80s. I think it was on 7th Ave S.
 
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To echo what others have said, I don't see how a man discovers a child being raped and walks away from that situation. I'm rescuing that kid, beating Sandusky to a pulp and calling the police. That's it.
 
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7 Ave S? I worked at the old Central Bank ops center back in the 80s. I think it was on 7th Ave S.

Yeah, I think you're right. That was back before UAB took over that entire block. I worked at a place called Photographics. It was mid to late 80's.
 
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WOW...Ok...So Sandusky spoke tonight to Bob Costas...Terrible decision by his lawyer to allow him to speak publicly.

Here's the link to the interview... When asked if he was sexually attracted to young boys, instead of saying no, he spent all of 15 seconds saying that he enjoys young people, etc. Just awful..

And speaking of bad decisions by Sandusky's lawyer, he got a 17 year old pregnant...WHEN HE WAS 49 and later married her. This entire thing is getting more and more disgusting.
 
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