Alabama QBs in 2024, II

[RollTide_HTTR]

Or Austin Mack could overtake Ty Simpson for #2 quarterback position. And that might actually happen.

That's absolutely not happening

 

[AlexanderFan]

"If Deboer can find a way to simplify the game for Milroe I think we can win alot of games and have a shot at a NC."

Isn't this exactly what the 2023 Alabama team actually did?

Hence the improvement from game 4.

Michigan forced quick decisions and Milroe failed that test. He’s not agile in the pocket and he holds the ball too long. No, the line didn’t help, but Milroe is at heart an all or nothing player. Michigan took the all from him. Milroe is not consistent enough (so far) to efficiently move down the field with medium passes.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

Did you watch the spring game? Based on that TS is more likely to take over JM as #1 than AM is to take over TS at #2.

FWIW, I do think AM's ceiling is very high, but last spring he was very raw. This year he's the age of most true freshmen so he's got time to grow and mature.

I feel like I’m being trolled at this point by the statement you quoted.

Ty was the best QB in the spring and at A-day yet he has virtually no shot at QB1 but is ripe for the picking by a guy who is still very raw at best?

Hogwash

In no way is that a legitimate or accurate line of thinking.

That’s gotta be bait.

 

[HighlandOak]

see post #546...basically took zone reads away and targeted one side of the field with passing routes

I know Rees did that, but it was something else that the QB should be doing but Seth had to pick it up because Milroe wasn't capable.

 

[BamaMoon]

I feel like I’m being trolled at this point by the statement you quoted.

Ty was the best QB in the spring and at A-day yet he has virtually no shot at QB1 but is ripe for the picking by a guy who is still very raw at best.

Hogwash

In no way is that a legitimate or accurate line of thinking.

That’s gotta be bait.

Yeah it's getting ridiculous.

 

[Snuffy Smith]

My feelings about this thread

 

[gtgilbert]

My question was about Seth’s adjustments at the line, not Rees adjusting calls for Milroe.

Can't be 100% sure because we never heard details, but typically the QB is responsible for calling out (at the line) D formation aspects like odd/even front, strong/weak side, any secondary players in 'different' alignments, and they very often make the call on protection, or at the very least make sure the C knows players are moving around and to make a call to slide the protection. I never heard the specifics, but multiple sportscasters and folks talking to the team mentioned that in conversations with the staff, that they were putting more on the C than usual.

How that causes snap issues, not sure, but just a guess is that it was more a timing thing that they couldn't sync. I'm guessing there were times where SM was barely finished making the calls (or maybe not completely finished) and JM clapped. Typically there's at least a pause for the C to set himself. Again, just a guess.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Can't be 100% sure because we never heard details, but typically the QB is responsible for calling out (at the line) D formation aspects like odd/even front, strong/weak side, any secondary players in 'different' alignments, and they very often make the call on protection, or at the very least make sure the C knows players are moving around and to make a call to slide the protection. I never heard the specifics, but multiple sportscasters and folks talking to the team mentioned that in conversations with the staff, that they were putting more on the C than usual.

How that causes snap issues, not sure, but just a guess is that it was more a timing thing that they couldn't sync. I'm guessing there were times where SM was barely finished making the calls (or maybe not completely finished) and JM clapped. Typically there's at least a pause for the C to set himself. Again, just a guess.

Just being different than what he was responsible for the previous two years could’ve contributed to the issues.

he’s still got to get the ball back in a reasonable fashion. Some of those snaps were beyond terrible.

 

[HighlandOak]

Just being different than what he was responsible for the previous two years could’ve contributed to the issues.

he’s still got to get the ball back in a reasonable fashion. Some of those snaps were beyond terrible.

Yeah, but if he's trying to snap before he's ready, i.e. finished making all the calls at the line that he needs to, that could definitely throw him off.

 

[BamaMoon]

Just being different than what he was responsible for the previous two years could’ve contributed to the issues.

he’s still got to get the ball back in a reasonable fashion. Some of those snaps were beyond terrible.

Yeah, but if he's trying to snap before he's ready, i.e. finished making all the calls at the line that he needs to, that could definitely throw him off.

I was watching last year's A&M game and I noticed Seth snapped the ball which resulted in an end-over-end ball motion. Is this normal?

It would seem that snapping in a way that resulted in a spiraling motion would be easier for the QB to catch the ball. I'm not talking about the way a long snapper snaps with two hands, but with one hand.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I would be utterly shocked if Ty Simpson lost the #2 designation to anyone this season other than him being promoted to #1. But I think it's Milroe's to lose and I'm sure his leash is pretty long. So I expect Milroe to be the starter for the entirety, unless he just craps his pants for multiple games.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Seth also snapped the ball when no one was clapping. I'm sorry I am not going to blame Milroe for Seth's snaps. Seth had issues snapping the ball with Bryce at QB at times too though much less frequently.

Personally, I think it likely was a psychological thing for Seth. It got in his head. I think a change in environment was needed for him.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

I would be utterly shocked if Ty Simpson lost the #2 designation to anyone this season other than him being promoted to #1. But I think it's Milroe's to lose and I'm sure his leash is pretty long. So I expect Milroe to be the starter for the entirety, unless he just craps his pants for multiple games.

Yea Ty is the CLEAR #2. I think people are too hard on Milroe at times but anyone with eyes can see Ty is miles better than Austin Mack at this point in their careers.

 

[gtgilbert]

Just being different than what he was responsible for the previous two years could’ve contributed to the issues.

he’s still got to get the ball back in a reasonable fashion. Some of those snaps were beyond terrible.

agree there were some pretty bad snaps. I really do think it's less about what was added to his plate, than about the time it took. If the C has to do that and the QB isn't giving him time to progress through all of it and claps when the C is still processing the D or making a call or even just expecting a slight pause once he finishes, that's more likely to cause form issues. I've rewatched most of the games from '23 over the summer, and one thing I can say with 100% certainty is that JM, last year, either didn't understand, or couldn't execute within the timing of how plays were structured. Even on read #1, on a perfect snap, he was very, very often executing behind the route structure (i.e. you can see a WR break, come open, and JM is looking that way, but didn't have his footwork right <behind schedule> to be able to deliver the ball on time).

 

[mlh]

Regardless of who was at fault with the snap issues, it amazes me that the issue was not resolved. How does something like that carry through the entire season? I'm flummoxed.

 

[gtgilbert]

Tommy just tailored plays to his strengths. You talk as if Jalen is a idiot. He's not. Tell me, what play did Tommy simplify? Explain it to me.

so don't take it from us. here's an article from an expert evaluator, who at one point was high on milroe, and still likes milroe, then looked past the noise and hype and realized he had to lower his eval/score pretty significantly. There's also a link to a X post in the article where the announcer illustrates EXACTLY what CTR had to do to take decisions out of JMs realm. It was way more than tailoring. It was a fundamental change how we used entire route concepts and took a lot of concepts completely out of the plan. It also debunks this idea that there was improvement as the year went on. There really wasn't.

Jalen Milroe 3.45 Second Time To Throw

Watch seven games of Alabama quarterback Jalen Milroe during 2023 embedded into this article.

firstroundmock.com

Edit to add: this evaluator also predicted that Zack Wilson was a likely bust, and at best a third round pick, while everyone else predicted Wilson as round one. Wilson, the #2 pick, was recently traded along side a 7th round pick, for the Jets to acquire a 6th round pick. That's pretty much a bust.

 

[B1GTide]

so don't take it from us. here's an article from an expert evaluator, who at one point was high on milroe, and still likes milroe, then looked past the noise and hype and realized he had to lower his eval/score pretty significantly. There's also a link to a X post in the article where the announcer illustrates EXACTLY what CTR had to do to take decisions out of JMs realm. It was way more than tailoring. It was a fundamental change how we used entire route concepts and took a lot of concepts completely out of the plan. It also debunks this idea that there was improvement as the year went on. There really wasn't.

Jalen Milroe 3.45 Second Time To Throw

Watch seven games of Alabama quarterback Jalen Milroe during 2023 embedded into this article.

firstroundmock.com

That is what a lot of us saw all season, and it was no better in the last game than the first - and it was no better in the Spring game. Really have to hope that he has improved since. No way Kirby let's Milroe beat him again with these limitations.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

That is what a lot of us saw all season, and it was no better in the last game than the first - and it was no better in the Spring game. Really have to hope that he has improved since. No way Kirby let's Milroe beat him again with these limitations.

My main hope is that we get Ty a lot more work in the 1st 2 'tune up' games just in case.

There could be some fools gold wrt improvement before the road game in Wisc.

If we get to the UGA game and get dismantled with all the old flaws on display and Ty hasn't gotten a lot of work we might be in trouble for the season.

Just me I don't like the idea that's floating around that there's a set in stone QB1 with a long leash.

I was very disappointed with what I saw at A-Day..... which was zero improvement with added on sulking on the bench.

Yet QB1 is all wrapped up?

I don't believe it. I don't want to believe that.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

so don't take it from us. here's an article from an expert evaluator, who at one point was high on milroe, and still likes milroe, then looked past the noise and hype and realized he had to lower his eval/score pretty significantly. There's also a link to a X post in the article where the announcer illustrates EXACTLY what CTR had to do to take decisions out of JMs realm. It was way more than tailoring. It was a fundamental change how we used entire route concepts and took a lot of concepts completely out of the plan. It also debunks this idea that there was improvement as the year went on. There really wasn't.

Jalen Milroe 3.45 Second Time To Throw

Watch seven games of Alabama quarterback Jalen Milroe during 2023 embedded into this article.

firstroundmock.com

Yeah, that's some sobering stuff but unfortunately validates what I saw during last season. But again, I want to allow CKD and the new staff to help Milroe correct it. I just hope if it isn't corrected we won't allow it to linger for game on top of games. They'll make a change and not let the season go down the tubes. We're still here to win it all. In the famous words of Coach Herm Edwards

 

[UAH]

so don't take it from us. here's an article from an expert evaluator, who at one point was high on milroe, and still likes milroe, then looked past the noise and hype and realized he had to lower his eval/score pretty significantly. There's also a link to a X post in the article where the announcer illustrates EXACTLY what CTR had to do to take decisions out of JMs realm. It was way more than tailoring. It was a fundamental change how we used entire route concepts and took a lot of concepts completely out of the plan. It also debunks this idea that there was improvement as the year went on. There really wasn't.

Jalen Milroe 3.45 Second Time To Throw

Watch seven games of Alabama quarterback Jalen Milroe during 2023 embedded into this article.

firstroundmock.com

It was hard enough watching it the first 3-4 times. I think I will take your word for it. After 60 + years of obsessing on Alabama Football I am trying hard to avoid ESPN and the media that can't contain itself about Milroe ( They have him as a top competitor for the Heisman). There are less stressful ways to spend my Saturdays!