Alabama QBs in 2024, II

[Bamabuzzard]

It's mostly the sacks. He says that won't happen this season. Not like last year. DeBoer is a great quarterback coach. And I think he, along with Jordan Palmer, have helped Jalen with that. Sacks will happen, but I think they're kept at a norm. For one thing, the OL should perform better than last year. That helps a lot. I think we see a new and improved Jalen Milroe. I think he thrives in DeBoer's offense.

I don't think his biggest problem was the sacks, but his inability to see the open wr in the intermediate parts of the field. Crazy we talk about this, but I watched a video of SEC Media day where GMac and Coach Saban said the same thing. He needs to get better at "taking what the defense gives him" and get better at identifying open receivers in the intermediate parts of the field, rather than always looking deep or holding the ball and waiting for something down the field to break open. This to me was his biggest problem. Yes, the sacks hurt but the root of the sacks was what Gmac and Saban said. Basically not being able to identify open receivers in the intermediate.

 

[HighlandOak]

He definitely changed.

Did he change to the extent that he would cave to a locker room mutiny?

Maybe, maybe not.

But people saying with conviction that there was a mutiny and Saban bowed to the pressure is really stretching the "kinder gentler Saban" narrative.

I'm not aware that becoming kinder and gentler included allowing himself to be bullied by a group of men 50 years younger than he is.

We're now again back at the point that no one can provide any substantive proof of the mutiny that they so strongly assert happened and they're falling back on anecdotes and "well, anyone with half a brain and one working eye could see it was a mutiny."

I'll withhold an opinion on that until we have some actual confirmation that it happened.

He used the phrase "wining the locker room" a lot in his last few years. I never liked it. To me, it sounds like abdicating responsibility. But, whatever . . .

 

[BamaMoon]

I'm kinda tired of people saying something is the truth without anything beyond anecdotal proof.

This started months ago with many of the same people saying that Saban as much as admitted that there was a mutiny and when they were pressed for specifics there was little more than crickets to back it up.

So, it's more like you've convinced yourself that there was a mutiny regardless of whether there's actually any proof of it beyond what you saw on the field in one game.

Sorry, but that's way more speculation than it is confirmation that the mutiny (which again, Saban has never said happened that I can find) ever actually happened.

Maybe it did...maybe it didn't.

But in the absence of actual, substantive proof, it's really just conjecture.

I said you could call it another name.

But you watched the game. What did you see? They didn't try/laid down/gave less effort.

Do you need proof other than what you saw happened???

Don't call it a mutiny. OK. But it was more than a "bad game." People have bad games even when they try and give the effort. There was a collective "less than 100% effort" across the entire LOS that involved 5 people.

And do we really think any of them would admit to this? I doubt it will ever be "confirmed" so if you are waiting on that we'll just have to agree to disagree on this subject.

 

[Coach D]

I said you could call it another name.

But you watched the game. What did you see? They didn't try/laid down/gave less effort.

Do you need proof other than what you saw happened???

Don't call it a mutiny. OK. But it was more than a "bad game." People have bad games even when they try and give the effort. There was a collective "less than 100% effort" across the entire LOS that involved 5 people.

And do we really think any of them would admit to this? I doubt it will ever be "confirmed" so if you are waiting on that we'll just have to agree to disagree on this subject.

Just watched the game again. Think you might need to with open mind. The game is mostly on Rees. The o line looked far better than I thought it was mostly USF bring the heat about every play and crashing when they even thought it was a run. Simpson was below avg as well holding the ball a long time and taking bad sacks. Was it a good performance by anyone on offense no but nothing like you’re making it. The game was bad weather, after a bad loss, missing starters, sandwich game between two big ones. Bad QB play as well. But Rees did a poor job adjusting to USF bringing 5-8 players most of the time and add in bad qb play the o line looked far worse than they were. I will say Proctor was terrible though.

Do you honestly think the oline would screw the same starting RBs like that? To possibly get them hurt and hurt their own draft stock? To also mess over their own defense? Would that not ruin the team cohesion the rest of the year?

 

[BamaMoon]

I don't think his biggest problem was the sacks, but his inability to see the open wr in the intermediate parts of the field. Crazy we talk about this, but I watched a video of SEC Media day where GMac and Coach Saban said the same thing. He needs to get better at "taking what the defense gives him" and get better at identifying open receivers in the intermediate parts of the field, rather than always looking deep or holding the ball and waiting for something down the field to break open. This to me was his biggest problem. Yes, the sacks hurt but the root of the sacks was what Gmac and Saban said. Basically not being able to identify open receivers in the intermediate.

Good post.

It would be equivalent to a basketball player who vastly prefers to jack up 3 pointers (the long ball) because he has the "layup yips."

Knowing he won't take the easy "layup" the defense goes to the extreme of defending him up his jock way beyond the 3 point line just daring him to drive past them to the hoop but he keeps trying to shoot the contested 3.

Jalen has the tendency to not even look for the 5-10 yard dump off pass because he's looking way down field for the big shot. This is where a lot of his sacks come from.

IF/when he starts throwing to all parts of the field, his long ball will get much more efficient and also the running lanes for scrambles will open up too! This is the progression we are all hoping for!

 

[davefrat]

I said you could call it another name.

But you watched the game. What did you see? They didn't try/laid down/gave less effort.

Do you need proof other than what you saw happened???

Don't call it a mutiny. OK. But it was more than a "bad game." People have bad games even when they try and give the effort. There was a collective "less than 100% effort" across the entire LOS that involved 5 people.

And do we really think any of them would admit to this? I doubt it will ever be "confirmed" so if you are waiting on that we'll just have to agree to disagree on this subject.

I need proof other than watching one game to determine that the greatest college football coach of all time (also known as the biggest hardazz on his players and coaches in decades) caved into a mutiny...which is what the narrative has been.

Some people are totally convinced it happened and will fall on that sword every day.

I'm not convinced absent more proof.

People will believe what they want to believe, especially after they become invested in their version of reality.

It is what it is.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Good post.

It would be equivalent to a basketball player who vastly prefers to jack up 3 pointers (the long ball) because he has the "layup yips."

Knowing he won't take the easy "layup" the defense goes to the extreme of defending him up his jock way beyond the 3 point line just daring him to drive past them to the hoop but he keeps trying to shoot the contested 3.

Jalen has the tendency to not even look for the 5-10 yard dump off pass because he's looking way down field for the big shot. This is where a lot of his sacks come from.

IF/when he starts throwing to all parts of the field, his long ball will get much more efficient and also the running lanes for scrambles will open up too! This is the progression we are all hoping for!

Saban said the better he gets at stepping up in the pocket rather than breaking to the outsides the entire field opens up for him, including running lanes. But when he decides to retreat backwards or break to the outside he eliminates entire parts of the field, put your OL'men in bad blocking situations and take wr's out of the entire play.

 

[BamaMoon]

I need proof other than watching one game to determine that the greatest college football coach of all time (also known as the biggest hardazz on his players and coaches in decades) caved into a mutiny...which is what the narrative has been.

Some people are totally convinced it happened and will fall on that sword every day.

I'm not convinced absent more proof.

People will believe what they want to believe, especially after they become invested in their version of reality.

It is what it is.

I'm not talking about what coach did/didn't do, which came later.

I'm talking about how the OL played and JM (IIRC whiffed on one block that seemed suspect too).

What CNS did afterward is a whole other discussion IMO.

 

[Coach D]

I'm not talking about what coach did/didn't do, which came later.

I'm talking about how the OL played and JM (IIRC whiffed on one block that seemed suspect too).

What CNS did afterward is a whole other discussion IMO.

If you’re basing things on one play for players then the whole o line hated JM throughout the year too. lol

 

[mlh]

People will believe what they want to believe, especially after they become invested in their version of reality.

It is what it is.

And it was last year.

This year we have a new HC, an entirely new staff, and new philosophies on both sides of the ball. I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do...not worried about what happened last year.

 

[colbysullivan]

He definitely changed.

Did he change to the extent that he would cave to a locker room mutiny?

Maybe, maybe not.

But people saying with conviction that there was a mutiny and Saban bowed to the pressure is really stretching the "kinder gentler Saban" narrative.

I'm not aware that becoming kinder and gentler included allowing himself to be bullied by a group of men 50 years younger than he is.

We're now again back at the point that no one can provide any substantive proof of the mutiny that they so strongly assert happened and they're falling back on anecdotes and "well, anyone with half a brain and one working eye could see it was a mutiny."

I'll withhold an opinion on that until we have some actual confirmation that it happened.

Good Lord man. I can’t sit here and let you continue to gaslight people. One play our OL literally LET Ty get sacked and then didn’t help him up when he asked for it. Open your eyes.

 

[bamajas]

If you’re basing things on one play for players then the whole o line hated JM throughout the year too. lol

His problem wasn't time in the pocket

This was linked back on page 29 ...

Jalen Milroe 3.45 Second Time To Throw

Watch seven games of Alabama quarterback Jalen Milroe during 2023 embedded into this article.

firstroundmock.com

 

[LittleLexi]

Been offline for several months.......so does anyone have info that Milrore can make Tua or Young passes yet?

 

[JohnD]

Been offline for several months.......so does anyone have info that Milrore can make Tua or Young passes yet?

<crickets chirping>

 

[LittleLexi]

<crickets chirping>

Thanks John, kinda figured. One could only hope.

 

[Coach D]

His problem wasn't time in the pocket

This was linked back on page 29 ...

Jalen Milroe 3.45 Second Time To Throw

Watch seven games of Alabama quarterback Jalen Milroe during 2023 embedded into this article.

firstroundmock.com

That wasn’t in reply about Milroe in the pocket but about the conspiracy about players in the USF game.

 

[Coach D]

Good Lord man. I can’t sit here and let you continue to gaslight people. One play our OL literally LET Ty get sacked and then didn’t help him up when he asked for it. Open your eyes.

Can you put that play in here?

 

[bamajas]

That wasn’t in reply about Milroe in the pocket but about the conspiracy about players in the USF game.

My response was about your comment about OL and JM the rest of the season. They weren't his problem

 

[colbysullivan]

Can you put that play in here?

I don’t have time to go find a single play, sorry. It definitely happened though.

 

[HighlandOak]

Just watched the game again. Think you might need to with open mind. The game is mostly on Rees. The o line looked far better than I thought it was mostly USF bring the heat about every play and crashing when they even thought it was a run. Simpson was below avg as well holding the ball a long time and taking bad sacks. Was it a good performance by anyone on offense no but nothing like you’re making it. The game was bad weather, after a bad loss, missing starters, sandwich game between two big ones. Bad QB play as well. But Rees did a poor job adjusting to USF bringing 5-8 players most of the time and add in bad qb play the o line looked far worse than they were. I will say Proctor was terrible though.

Do you honestly think the oline would screw the same starting RBs like that? To possibly get them hurt and hurt their own draft stock? To also mess over their own defense? Would that not ruin the team cohesion the rest of the year?

Yes.