Link: Official PSU Scandal Thread

[Crimson Speed]

Re: My thoughts on JoPa and PSU.

Per comments from Mark Emmert, Penn State could face sanctions for this. I think it should happen, but realistically, they are not going to shut down the football program. So, I'm not sure what type of sanctions they could impose.

 

[Hamilton]

Well, if Sandusky was involved in recruiting for the 12 years since he retired (as it seems), PSU may have some issues with the NCAA.

 

[Tide Warrior]

Re: My thoughts on JoPa and PSU.

Per comments from Mark Emmert, Penn State could face sanctions for this. I think it should happen, but realistically, they are not going to shut down the football program. So, I'm not sure what type of sanctions they could impose.

What the NCAA is looking at is two areas. One is unethical conduct and the other is lack of institutional control. I think they need the 1st to be applied and the 2nd one will increase the magnitude of severity as relating to the punishment.

Again I do think the program should be shutdown for what has transpired but I understand that will probably not happen, atleast through the NCAA. Now on the other hand I can tell you that the big concern for PSU is that this could jeapordize their accreditation. Which could hurt the school even more in regards to what sanctions it could face in the state school system and funding. The board of Govenors will determine their fate and it might not be favorable.

But in regards to the football program it will be a long time before it recovers. Already recruits are no looking elsewhere and the program will see very few wanting to jump on board. As a parant I could never trust anyone at that school with the responsibility to look out for my children as a student and/or athlete.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno fired!

Well, if Sandusky was involved in recruiting for the 12 years since he retired (as it seems), PSU may have some issues with the NCAA.

Cecil has already shown where the NCAA can rule on PSU without the obvious types of infractions - if this is half as bad as it appears on the surface, the NCAA will absolutely hammer PSU, because if what we're hearing is true, there's never been a worse example of LOIC than this case, and it's not even close...

 

[IMALOYAL1]

Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno fired!

Everybody opining on this should read the Grand Jury report.

I finally broke down and read it start to finish.

So many looked the other way at what was clearly a predatory pedophile raping little boys in the showers at the University of Penn State with careless abandon for over 10 years.

Absolutely unbelievable how and why this was covered up. :frown:

 

[single wing1]

Re: Penn State Officials Reportedly Planning Paterno's Exit

JoPa, Maybe the whole story has not been reaveled as yet, but how did you live with yourself with what you knew? Such a tragedy for everyone.

 

[Hamilton]

One thing I can't wrap my mind around is those who are defending Joe on this board and in turn will condemn the Bobby Lowders and Richard Scrushys of the world for attempting to claim ignorance when we all know they are control freak megalomaniacs. Joe ran PSU. He answered to no one. He knew what was going on, or at least had a damn good idea about it. He's no different than Lowder and Scrushy in that regard, and claiming he didn't know just isn't believable.

 

[teamplayer]

Re: Wonder what the final damages are going to be for Penn State? Jerry Sandusky was

there for 33 years and I bet he's been a slimy scumbag for the entire time and even before. Just makes sense that the current tally of 8 victims is going to sharply spike upwards now that this whole sordid affair has been exposed.

There will be an avalanche of lawsuits coming PSU's way out of this tragedy and I'd imagine the financial toll when all is said and done will be monstrous.

Let's face it, even Middle-East terrorists are not as despised as those who prey on children. How do you think PSU would fare in a courtroom with a jury of parents. Heck, they don't even have to be parents, just 12 decent people with a moral compass.

I'm sure PSU is gonna try their dangdest to settle out of court as much as possible, but even so, I would expect those settlements to still be mighty steep.

Any legal types out there that are willing give us an idea of about what we can expect from this sorry mess.

One thing is for sure, no one person has ever caused more damage to an institution than Jerry Sandusky. I really and truly feel sorry for his family, they are victims too.

If there had been one or two people with a moral compass, this whole situation wouldn't be happening. I am still waiting on more evidence against Paterno, but it seems obvious that he did know about the shower incident and didn't follow up with it. I'm sorry, but if I know about a grown man molesting a child, I don't think that I could simply hope my AD "handled" the situation.

 

[DrollTide]

Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno fired!

If this isn't "lack of institutional control", I don't know what is.

The NCAA is only interested in the small stuff, free books, happy meals and such. If it is serious like paying pay-for-play, or sickening like molesting kids, they seem to shrug.

 

[Tide Warrior]

Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno fired!

I agree with everything Switzer said, but I imagine he couldn't wait to get in his two cents worth when he remembered paterno's "not gonna leave football to the Switzers and Sherrills of the world" comment.

I believe many people might be misinformed on their relationship. Shortly after Switzer was basically forced out of OU he wrote a bestselling autobiography called "The Bootlegger's Boy". The forward in the book was written by Joe Paterno. They actually became very good friends. The reference to the quote about Paterno towards Switzer was long before they ever met each other. Once they did they actually became frineds and Paterno apologized to Barry for his comment. Paterno was also very complimentary in the forward about Barry.

 

[Tide Warrior]

Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno fired!

If this isn't "lack of institutional control", I don't know what is.

The NCAA is only interested in the small stuff, free books, happy meals and such. If it is serious like paying pay-for-play, or sickening like molesting kids, they seem to shrug.

They are not going to shrug this off. the NCAA right now is letting the police do their thing first and will act accordingly after all the evidence has been revieled. I think NCAA will use and let the police gather info they will use in their case if and when they go after the NCAA. If they do not this may be the turning point for colleges to finally say good bye to the NCAA.

 

[Bamabw]

Re: Wonder what the final damages are going to be for Penn State? Jerry Sandusky was

there for 33 years and I bet he's been a slimy scumbag for the entire time and even before. Just makes sense that the current tally of 8 victims is going to sharply spike upwards now that this whole sordid affair has been exposed.

There will be an avalanche of lawsuits coming PSU's way out of this tragedy and I'd imagine the financial toll when all is said and done will be monstrous.

Let's face it, even Middle-East terrorists are not as despised as those who prey on children. How do you think PSU would fare in a courtroom with a jury of parents. Heck, they don't even have to be parents, just 12 decent people with a moral compass.

I'm sure PSU is gonna try their dangdest to settle out of court as much as possible, but even so, I would expect those settlements to still be mighty steep.

Any legal types out there that are willing give us an idea of about what we can expect from this sorry mess.

One thing is for sure, no one person has ever caused more damage to an institution than Jerry Sandusky. I really and truly feel sorry for his family, they are victims too.

McQuery SAW that old .... doing HORRIBLE things to a 10 year old boy in the shower...he should of BEATEN THE HELL out of him right there on the spot and called the police. He was too worried about protecting him NOT protecting the child. Had I seen something that disturbing, you can bet your ... that I would have killed that MF to protect that child. ANY punishment that psu and the coaching staff gets is not enough.

 

[It's On A Slab]

Re: Wonder what the final damages are going to be for Penn State? Jerry Sandusky was

I don't usually subscribe to Colin Cowherd on ESPN Radio, but he nailed it when he compared McQueary to a Mafia made man. Don't be a rat lest you bring the whole program down. Keep it down home, cuz. Disgusting. He should be fired with the rest of them.

 

[SimplyTide]

Re: Wonder what the final damages are going to be for Penn State? Jerry Sandusky was

Anyone here believe that there was a single soul on the coaching staff that didn't know about this? Coaches are like a family. They talk about everything. The people on the sidelines today coaching PSU were all complicit in the cover-up. Think about that if you watch them today. They knew, and did nothing. They knew, and treated Sandusky as a comrade countless times over the last 9 years as he continued to do this to young boys.

They knew - they all knew. Replacing Paterno with another coach who knew is disgusting, as it reeks of a continued cover-up.

 

[Dallas4Bama]

Re: PSU Coach Joe Paterno fired!

I believe many people might be misinformed on their relationship. Shortly after Switzer was basically forced out of OU he wrote a bestselling autobiography called "The Bootlegger's Boy". The forward in the book was written by Joe Paterno. They actually became very good friends. The reference to the quote about Paterno towards Switzer was long before they ever met each other. Once they did they actually became frineds and Paterno apologized to Barry for his comment. Paterno was also very complimentary in the forward about Barry.

Think what you will of Switzer, but once you read that book you will be amazed that he's only had the problems he has. Sure, Barry ran a lose program, he liked his liquor and women, but after learning about his life you're amazed he was a functioning member of society.

 

[GreatDanish]

Re: Wonder what the final damages are going to be for Penn State? Jerry Sandusky was

Penn State is accredited by the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools (Commission on Higher Ed). I know very little about that body.
But, I do know about SACS, the equivalent organization for Southern states. And, the very first principle of Accreditation is Integrity. That means if the university does not operate with integrity, the university's accreditation is at risk. Now, if a professor engages in illegal activity, that's fine. But, if the university's leadership including the Cabinet and Board of Directors is complicit in covering up criminal activity, then the school's accreditation could be reneged.
If I'm Penn State, and if the MSACS principles of accreditation are like SACS, then I'd be most worried about losing my accreditation.

 

[PacadermaTideUs]

Re: Wonder what the final damages are going to be for Penn State? Jerry Sandusky was

Have no idea what the final tally will be, but I agree - it's bound to be monstrous. Between the financial loss, the blow to reputation, the internal institutional sense of guilt, recruiting losses and the general sense of a dark shadow hanging over state college for the foreseeable future, this sordid affair will be absolutely crippling to the university. Don't think I've ever seen a university go from royalty to pariah so quickly.

Let's face it, even Middle-East terrorists are not as despised as those who prey on children. How do you think PSU would fare in a courtroom with a jury of parents. Heck, they don't even have to be parents, just 12 decent people with a moral compass.

How do you think he'll fare in the US Penitentiary in Canaan?

 

[TommyMac]

Re: Wonder what the final damages are going to be for Penn State? Jerry Sandusky was

I don't usually subscribe to Colin Cowherd on ESPN Radio, but he nailed it when he compared McQueary to a Mafia made man. Don't be a rat lest you bring the whole program down. Keep it down home, cuz. Disgusting. He should be fired with the rest of them.

Perfect analogy.

 

[kwftide]

Re: Wonder what the final damages are going to be for Penn State? Jerry Sandusky was

Penn State is accredited by the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools (Commission on Higher Ed). I know very little about that body.
But, I do know about SACS, the equivalent organization for Southern states. And, the very first principle of Accreditation is Integrity. That means if the university does not operate with integrity, the university's accreditation is at risk. Now, if a professor engages in illegal activity, that's fine. But, if the university's leadership including the Cabinet and Board of Directors is complicit in covering up criminal activity, then the school's accreditation could be reneged.
If I'm Penn State, and if the MSACS principles of accreditation are like SACS, then I'd be most worried about losing my accreditation.

That is a great point.

 

[Chukker Veteran]

Re: Wonder what the final damages are going to be for Penn State? Jerry Sandusky was

It would not surprise me if Sandusky just killed himself while out on bail. I think it would be the best thing for everybody involved.

Paterno's statement before he was fired...that he was going to retire at the end of the season, and the Penn State Board of Trustees shouldn't spend any time considering any other option was very arrogant.